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There are a ton of scholarly articles out there that indicate antidepressants don't work, and further, that they have negative side effects. Think also of the long-term side-effects!
In addition, the possible interactions with other drugs are not known. It's probably very common for someone to be on antidepressants and also drugs for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. All of these have side effects separately, but how about combined? We don't know.
In addition, the possible interactions with other drugs are not known. It's probably very common for someone to be on antidepressants and also drugs for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. All of these have side effects separately, but how about combined? We don't know.
I think it's shocking how glib most of the people are that just pop all kinds of pills without any thought as to side effects. It's mind-boggling!
And especially when it is common knowledge that "quick fixes" and "popping pills" and expecting a "magic bullet" are childish (magical thinking) ideas.
In addition, the possible interactions with other drugs are not known. It's probably very common for someone to be on antidepressants and also drugs for blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. All of these have side effects separately, but how about combined? We don't know.
Except actually we usually do know after quite a short time of medicines being released. There is both a post marketing surveillance (tracking) requirement and also a side-effect from interactions database. All that information is made public and is made available to health professionals, and also to the public in freely-accessible databases.
Why do you make up stuff so much?
Its not like the made-up "medicine" in the alternative health boards where there is no testing for efficacy, no responsibility for manufacturers, and no actual tracking of anything whatsoever. Apocryphal claims are all that's needed.
[quote=Chint;54339450]Except actually we usually do know after quite a short time of medicines being released. There is both a post marketing surveillance (tracking) requirement and also a side-effect from interactions database. All that information is made public and is made available to health professionals, and also to the public in freely-accessible databases.
Why do you make up stuff so much?
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I take antidepressants, meds for high BP and cholesterol....just for the record, I've experienced no negative side effects. And I am pleased all these meds are available to me.
I take antidepressants, meds for high BP and cholesterol....just for the record, I've experienced no negative side effects. And I am pleased all these meds are available to me.
Glad you feel antidepressants work for you. Could be the palcebo effect but we will never know because there is no test to show if they are actually changing serotonin levels or if the effect is irrelevant because you created more serotonin receptors.
Reagrding all your health issues; Have you ever thought about drastically changing the fats in your diet? Increasing Omega 3 from fish and decreasing all Omega 6 fats? It helped my mood dramatically, lowered my BP and cholesterol to where the docs stopped yelling at me to take meds.
Glad you feel antidepressants work for you. Could be the palcebo effect but we will never know because there is no test to show if they are actually changing serotonin levels or if the effect is irrelevant because you created more serotonin receptors.
Reagrding all your health issues; Have you ever thought about drastically changing the fats in your diet? Increasing Omega 3 from fish and decreasing all Omega 6 fats? It helped my mood dramatically, lowered my BP and cholesterol to where the docs stopped yelling at me to take meds.
Oh come on...all we have is your self reporting that your mood is better...where's the evidence that mood is related to BP and cholesterol? Yeah...that's what I thought so why even mention it here?
Interestingly I have had several relatives, not on antidepressants who successfully (?) killed themselves and other relatives on antidepressants who managed to live out their lives. I'm sorry they didn't donate their bodies to science to PROVE it was because of the antidepressants that they lived longer lives.
Glib people who don't know ANYTHING about major depression and about what it is like to make a suicide attempt but push vitamins as the only answer are sickening to me. You do what you want - other people who need a little more help than a vitamin can give them are thankful for, and take MEDICATION. A vitamin won't cure diabetes - do you think it'll cure major depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc.? Stick to what you know, please.
Oh come on...all we have is your self reporting that your mood is better...where's the evidence that mood is related to BP and cholesterol? Yeah...that's what I thought so why even mention it here?
Interestingly I have had several relatives, not on antidepressants who successfully (?) killed themselves and other relatives on antidepressants who managed to live out their lives. I'm sorry they didn't donate their bodies to science to PROVE it was because of the antidepressants that they lived longer lives.
Glib people who don't know ANYTHING about major depression and about what it is like to make a suicide attempt but push vitamins as the only answer are sickening to me. You do what you want - other people who need a little more help than a vitamin can give them are thankful for, and take MEDICATION. A vitamin won't cure diabetes - do you think it'll cure major depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc.? Stick to what you know, please.
Glib? Maybe you should read my other posts before you make assumptions about me. so here goes. I am 50+ years old living with Bipolar disorder sin I was 14. My mother took a hand full of pills and sat in a bathtub with me in a high chair next to her when i was 2 years old. My Uncle found her before she died. She was in the psych hospital several times and had ECT back in the day when you would not want it. She was on several medications. My older brother attempted suicide three times, the last was jumping off a bridge to which he only survived by luck but he was horribly disfigured. He was on medications. My other brother was depressed and suicidal as well. He is still on meds and still depressed. His son died by suicide in his teens.
I have been on disability for BP for nearly 20 years after my first attempt of staying out of a psych hospital failed. I was making 120k at the time. Since then I was in the hospital three more times, twice for suicidal depression, once for mania. I am currently fighting a suicidal depression because I am facing homelessness and the stress is too much. I cannot tell you how many meds I was on. Seeing how my illness was both genetic and effected by my environment, i spent the last 10 years studying both, living inside a Universities Health Sciences library. What I have learned has kept me out of the hospital, resolved associated health issues, and is for once giving me the hope that I can be predictably stable enough to work again.
So we have different life stories when it comes to meds, yes? But here you are pushing them on everyone. Being "glib", as you say. My life on medications is pure hell and that is true for more people with MI than you care to consider. I have tried no less than 14 meds in my life, all with side effects. I am sure you have side effects,
I did not say antidepressants never work for anyone, I was sharing the fact that they do not know how they work and thy might not be the best answer to depression.The only evidence they have that RI work is self reported. That is not strong scientific evidence because they know there is a strong placebo effect with SSRIs. THAT IS A FACT. You have no evidence to say that the antidepressants had anything other than a placebo effect in your family. I am glad they saved people in your family, but i am talking about science.
Nor am I pushing vitamins. Rather, I am saying there are things you can change while on meds that might make you not need them anymore. That is what I did. I went from four meds to two as needed. That is a huge change for me. I showed you links to how Omega 3 FROM FISH has been show to alleviate every issue you have. That is fine if you want to just take meds, but you cannot dispute the evidence or dismiss it for others who might want to investigate it as an option.
Not everyone who talks about diet and supplements is a kook. Oh, there are plenty, but I am not one. So maybe give people a chance before you over react and call them glib when they are living a hell they are trying to fix which their doctors could not.
So, did you know the HUGE connection between mood disorders and cholesterol?
Here is one that shows low HDL ("good cholesterol") was linked to depression.
Go ahead, look up more, there are thousands of studies where they make this link. Do they understand it yet? Nope. Can I tell you when my HDL went from 37 to 48 after eating a high fish low Omega 6 diet my mood also improved?
Glad you feel antidepressants work for you. Could be the palcebo effect but we will never know because there is no test to show if they are actually changing serotonin levels or if the effect is irrelevant because you created more serotonin receptors.
Reagrding all your health issues; Have you ever thought about drastically changing the fats in your diet? Increasing Omega 3 from fish and decreasing all Omega 6 fats? It helped my mood dramatically, lowered my BP and cholesterol to where the docs stopped yelling at me to take meds.
Can you read my post right before your reply? Maybe it will change your mind.
And how can you ignore the new science?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5299662/ Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors versus placebo in patients with major depressive disorder. A systematic review with meta-analysis and Trial Sequential Analysis
SSRIs might have statistically significant effects on depressive symptoms, but all trials were at high risk of bias and the clinical significance seems questionable. SSRIs significantly increase the risk of both serious and non-serious adverse events. The potential small beneficial effects seem to be outweighed by harmful effects.
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