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Unread 01-09-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Northern NH
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I like talk therapy but I don't know these medicines that doctors want to give people scare me. Patients seem all to willing to gobble them up and think they will be fixed orh have a reason as to why they can't get along with people or don't have to try. It just seems to numb people and make them even worse. Most of the drugs they don't even know the mechanism as to why it is working at all so what kind of science is that I see the people before medicine and after and I don't usually see any improvement in fact sometimes they seem worse only difference is they have the side effects of lots of meds to think about
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Unread 01-09-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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It isn't science and it offers no cure.
You are aware of the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist, right?
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Unread 01-09-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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What causes mental illness, Thetans inflicted on us by Lord Xenu?????
is there such a thing as mental illness?
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Unread 01-09-2010, 09:43 PM
 
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is there such a thing as mental illness?
Yes, there absolutely is.
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Unread 01-10-2010, 05:17 AM
 
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If you read the fine print of a lot of medicines, they specifically say they don't know the mechanism by which it works. This is for skin creams, pills, the works.

If doctors and meds scare you, then don't take the meds and don't go, but the science is there.

What is true is that many people don't do the hard work needed, but to say that depression, mania, OCD (such as checking and hairpulling), phobias, PTSD,schizophrenia and on and on don't exist is not accurate. Some can be treated with talk thearpy, others require medication.

It is easy to dismiss mental illness, many of the people most ill cannot advocate for themselves.

Ever take a look at the death notices in the paper and see the number of young and middle age people who have died and no cause is listed? Many of those are suicides. Mental illness can not only destroy the lives of those who have the illness, but can destroy the lives of their families.
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Unread 01-10-2010, 06:18 AM
 
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While I agree medicines for psychological problems are often over prescribed, to claim psychology is completely bunk only comes off as incredibly uneducated. There are plenty of people who have gotten better with therapy for their various psychological disorders: OCD, ADD, and various phobias. Psychology as a whole has made society a much more humane place.

Back in the day, when psychology did not exist, anyone who did not seem mentally right was just thrown in the loony bin.

So please, go educate yourself and rationalize how reasonable the statements you make are Mod cut.

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Unread 01-10-2010, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Northern NH
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If you read the fine print of a lot of medicines, they specifically say they don't know the mechanism by which it works. This is for skin creams, pills, the works.

If doctors and meds scare you, then don't take the meds and don't go, but the science is there.

What is true is that many people don't do the hard work needed, but to say that depression, mania, OCD (such as checking and hairpulling), phobias, PTSD,schizophrenia and on and on don't exist is not accurate. Some can be treated with talk thearpy, others require medication.

It is easy to dismiss mental illness, many of the people most ill cannot advocate for themselves.

Ever take a look at the death notices in the paper and see the number of young and middle age people who have died and no cause is listed? Many of those are suicides. Mental illness can not only destroy the lives of those who have the illness, but can destroy the lives of their families.
I'm very well aware of this and most of the people that take there own lives are already on meds so I wonder how much did the meds actually help
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Unread 01-10-2010, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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is there such a thing as mental illness?
The brain is an organ, and just like any other part of the body, can be diseased. There is nothing magical about it.
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Unread 01-10-2010, 09:17 AM
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Location: The Plains
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The inherent problem with therapy in general is for a person to be helped they need to have a little knowledge of the field which is not always the case. There many schools of thought, techniques , and training backgrounds a therapist might use to help some some one. Most therapist specialise in one.
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Unread 01-10-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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I'm very well aware of this and most of the people that take there own lives are already on meds so I wonder how much did the meds actually help
The only published study I can find on this topic is from 2006 by Group Health Cooperative. It is more rigorous than anything the FDA did.The study found that the risk of suicide decreases after medication is prescribed. It was based on computerized medical and pharmacy records of more than 65,000 patients who filled prescriptions for antidepressants from 1992 to 2003. Deaths by suicide were identified from death certificates and suicide attempts were identified from hospital discharge data. Perhaps there is something more recent?

Meanwhile, for those who debunk psychiatry, if you have a loved one who can't leave the house because he or she is afraid of going out, or who cannot stop pulling their hair out, or who are so depressed they cannot get out of bed, or are hearing voices, who will you turn to knowing that there are long recognized medications to stop this pain?
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