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Old 03-17-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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Exactly, and it is not limited to a direct connection with the child. It is equally possible (and maybe even likely) that these environmental factors have affected the parents, like myself and/or husband, hence the opinion that it starts with a genetic pre-disposition or weakness.
I agree. I understand why, because of the timing you pointed out in an earlier post, parents want to blame vaccines for their childrens' autism. But that theory has been disproven. In the meantime, there are many other environmental factors that have not been explored. I'm guessing that someday a link will be found between genetics and some other environmental factor.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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To be perfectly fair and playing a bit of devil's advocate:

A legal forum is about argument, not about science. Findings of fault or no fault can be legally/logically sound but scientifically incorrect (or devoid of science). What the court says about the matter isn't really proof of anything but rather a release of liability.
That's true.
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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The only corollary with the spike in autism cases in the Western world, seen so far, is the spike in vaccine use.
Ummmm.....no.

Thats equivalent to saying the spike in autism cases corrolates with increasing sales of frozen pizza....

You don't have any facts to back up this specious claim and "correlation does not equal causation" ( Scientific Theory 101)
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Old 03-17-2010, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I agree. I understand why, because of the timing you pointed out in an earlier post, parents want to blame vaccines for their childrens' autism. But that theory has been disproven. In the meantime, there are many other environmental factors that have not been explored. I'm guessing that someday a link will be found between genetics and some other environmental factor.
There are other epigenetic factors I think will shed further light to all this. Yes this means environmental factors causing surface changes on the genome which will turn on or off certain protein expression, leading to chronic disease. There are unpublished results suggesting perhaps the increased megadosing with folate (to prevent neural tube defect) may be a cause of such epigenetic change. These results aren't published because unlike some vaccine studies, the physician-scientists involved want to make sure these findings are accurate before causing another mothers-against-vaccine hysteria.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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To be perfectly fair and playing a bit of devil's advocate:

A legal forum is about argument, not about science. Findings of fault or no fault can be legally/logically sound but scientifically incorrect (or devoid of science). What the court says about the matter isn't really proof of anything but rather a release of liability.
Sometimes, scientific evidence, like criminal evidence, is not found simply because it is not looked for.

A vested interest, or competing priority, can cause a look-away effect.
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