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Old 12-08-2010, 08:48 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Bottom line is that corruption has killed this once beautiful country. I have friends who REFUSE to cross the border to see their families. Their childhood hometowns outside Monterrey are becoming crime infested ghost towns. These drug cartels are killing innocent people for sport. They are finding poor kids and offering them $100 to behead someone. Most Mexicans are innocent God fearing people who will do anything for you, but despite the arrests, no one is seeing an end to this anytime soon. If they arrest or kill a drug lord, someone else will take over in his place. It's a bottomless pit. This is what poverty and corruption does. Such a physically beautiful country, too. Sad...
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Old 12-09-2010, 03:08 PM
 
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If it is such a great nation why are so many of it's citizens leaving and coming here?

I would suspect that if Mexico truly were a great nation we would see millions of Americans illegally entering Mexico demanding citizenship and all the federal benefits the great nation of Mexico has.....
Based on what you're saying, China is not a great nation? UK is not a great nation? Australia is not a great nation? There are a lot of people from the UK, china and Australia in the US. Does that not make them great nations?

Your reasoning is flawed.

BTW Americans (as any other foreigner) do get federal benefits in Mexico like free healthcare.
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Old 12-10-2010, 03:55 AM
 
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Upon further review, he may not even be a U.S. citizen after all. His family claims so but apparently cannot produce any documentation to support it. Everyone agrees he grew up in Mexico and has been there at least since age 4.
Mexican officials and his family say the boy, 14, who claims he carried out at least four executions, was born in the United States even though he spent much of his childhood in Mexico.
But Embassy spokesman Alexander Featherstone said his citizenship has not been determined, and U.S. officials met with the teen (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Adolescence - broken link) on Monday to offer him consular assistance "in case he is a U.S. citizen (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Citizenship_in_the_United_States - broken link)."

No birth certificate (http://topics.chron.com/topics/Birth_certificate - broken link) for the boy is on file in San Diego County (http://topics.chron.com/topics/San_Diego_County,_California - broken link). But birth records show Elizabeth Jimenez Lugo was born in 1991 at Mercy Hospital and Medical Center in San Diego, and her sister, Lina Erika, is registered as having been born in Jiutepec, Mexico.


U.S. officials met with alleged boy hitman in Mexico | Top AP Latin America Stories | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/latinamerica/7328838.html - broken link)
Well it turns out he is a US citizen and so is his corpse dumping sister.

That kind of proves wrong that it is about Mexican poverty and lack of opportunities because these kids had all the opportunities that birth in the USA give. All the free education, free maternity care, free USA birth certificates, the education and job opportunities -- the easy life in the USA didn't stop this family from violence and crime.

Just like USA born La Barbie - obviously the US birth certificate provide the choices, the alternatives, the opportunities and high paying jobs but they still choose crime and violence. The USA seems just as capable of producing violent Mexican cartel members. Easy money and oppotunities and high paying jobs doesn't really seem to be the factor in preventing this.
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:50 PM
 
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Well it turns out he is a US citizen and so is his corpse dumping sister.

That kind of proves wrong that it is about Mexican poverty and lack of opportunities because these kids had all the opportunities that birth in the USA give. All the free education, free maternity care, free USA birth certificates, the education and job opportunities -- the easy life in the USA didn't stop this family from violence and crime.
How about a reference to support that? IF he was born here - and I've seen no evidence yet that he was - he was sent back before age 4 so he never got those education and job opportunities.
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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How about a reference to support that? IF he was born here - and I've seen no evidence yet that he was - he was sent back before age 4 so he never got those education and job opportunities.
His parents were living in the USA. His father and step mother live in San Diego and were who sent the siblings the money to flee and escape the Mexican authorities, the mother was also just arrested in San Diego where she was living.

He was born here, that's now old news. They found the birth certificates, also of his sister.
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:21 PM
 
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But - if you can't look things up yourself - here it is:

Teen cartel hit man's mom in San Diego court | Reuters

Jimenez and her husband, Gabriel Aguirre Manuel, 46, were arrested by federal agents outside their home in San Diego on Monday.

Both are Mexican citizens. They face charges of illegally reentering the United States following previous deportation.

Jimenez's U.S.-born son, Edgar, 14, was arrested in the central Mexican city of Cuernavaca last week as he boarded a flight bound for the border city of Tijuana, south of San Diego, with two of his sisters.

AFP: Mexico arrests 14-year-old hitman

Jimenez also said he was arrested along with one of his sisters, aged 19 and with whom he was trying to fly to San Diego, home of their stepmother lives who had sent them money for the flight.
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Old 12-11-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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And this kid is hardly the only American kid who is involved in cartel activities. Plenty of these kids with their very advantageous USA birth certificates and all the opportunities that go with it as as inclined as others to get into cartels and violence:

Presentan hoy ante juez a la banda de ‘El Cabezón’ | Local | Diario.com.mx

Ayer se confirmó que la menor arrestada como participante de estos hechos es de nacionalidad norteamericana por lo que personal del Consulado Norteamericano en Juárez le brinda asesoría legal mientras se integra la carpeta de investigación que será entregada a un juez en el área de menores infractores.

Arturo Sandoval, vocero de la Fiscalía del Estado en la Zona Norte, dio a conocer que se pudo acreditar la nacionalidad de la menor a la que se identificó como Brenda R.

La representación consular presentó la documentación que comprobaba que la mujer nació en El Paso, Texas.

Arrestan a paseña con presuntos sicarios | Local | Diario.com.mx

Al consultar sus datos en el Centro de Inteligencia de la Policía Federal se tuvo conocimiento que había sido detenido por elementos federales el pasado 15 de junio y 12 de septiembre de este año, por los delitos de portación de arma y robo de vehículo.

Además fue arrestada Vicky Verónica Calderón, de 28 años de edad, originaria de El Paso, Texas, Gustavo Borjas Lara, de 18 años y Simbad Kelly Loera, de 35 años de edad, quien al momento de su detención manifestó malestar físico.

Juarez Massacre Target Identified | KDBC.com

Juarez police have identified the target of last Saturday's party massacre.
There were 14 deaths, including many whom were teenagers, and even more injured when gunmen crashed a birthday party last Saturday and opened fire.

Police say the killers were looking for Roberto Raul Bueno Hernandez, a reputed gang member.

When no one at the party identified him, the gunmen sprayed the room with bullets.

Witnesses to the massacre have identified an El Paso man as one of the suspects.

Jose Facio Junior is one of two men found decapitated in Juarez last Tuesday.

Police say witness descriptions of the gunmen are vague at best.
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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His parents were living in the USA. His father and step mother live in San Diego and were who sent the siblings the money to flee and escape the Mexican authorities, the mother was also just arrested in San Diego where she was living.

He was born here, that's now old news. They found the birth certificates, also of his sister.
Stepmothers are not who give birth to you. Neither are fathers. The mother was arrested for being illegal.

I had already provided the link where one of his sister's birth certificates was on file. Show me the link where they found his. You throw up all these links to irrelevant stor4ies to make it appear you are providing references but you aren't providing the references requested.

I'm not even sure the point of your ranting anyway. I never said that Mexican violence is because Mexican kids have no opportunities in Mexico. The problem is one of systemic corruption and weak social infrastructure. Notice how the Ponchis and Barbies go back to Mexico to do their gruesome killing.
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