Immigration from Mexico Decreasing as Mexican Economy Improves (income, legally, shop)

[yosoy1]

There even was an agreement, very recently, between FeCal and all of Mexico's information media to censor his failed drug war, and to portray his government as a success when in reality it is a complete failure...

many Mexicans now believe on his failed drug war that has killed thousands of civilians, some other thousands have disappeared and the rest of us live in fear...

here in Spanish, is the link to the article:

Medios de comunicación firman acuerdo contra la violencia - Yahoo! Noticias

[yosoy1]

Originally Posted by axixic2

I am prevented from giving you another rep point right now.

Exactly right. The kids who join the cartels do so for the same reasons kids join gangs in the U.S., because it's cool. They can find jobs that might not pay very much but are moral and don't hurt anyone.

What if Calderon wasn't fighting the cartels? Yosoy thinks traveling some roads is dangerous now, there wouldn't be any traveling without Calderon pushing back against the cartels.

Ninety-nine percent of all the murders have been gang against gang. Maybe they will kill each other off. As soon as Calderon gets his plan in place to replace local police with federal police, hopefully we will see real results.

Calderon's fight against the cartels did ramp up the violence but it's reported that the government is beginning to win the fight and without the government fighting the cartels, Mexico would become another Afghanistan.

Because of my lack of Spanish I can't keep up like I'd like with Mexican politics but I think Calderon is a great president and too bad he can't serve another term.

Well, I don't blame foreigners for believing in Calderon...we have plenty of supposedly educated Mexicans that believe in everything that FeCal says, what can we expect from foreigners?...

[axixic2]

Originally Posted by yosoy1

Well, I don't blame foreigners for believing in Calderon...we have plenty of supposedly educated Mexicans that believe in everything that FeCal says, what can we expect from foreigners?...

Well if you have educated Mexicans and educated foreigners, who all think Calderon is a great president given what the poor man is facing, then maybe you should listen to us. There is no magic wand given to a person when he is elected president. It is amazing that Calderon has been able to persevere in this fight the way he has when at times it looked like he was losing badly.

[Canaan-84]

Originally Posted by axixic2

That house is also almost 3000 sq.ft. which is larger than most teachers would rent in the U.S. A house like that in the same type neighborhood up North would probably rent for $3000 a mo.

I rent a new 3000 sq.ft house in the Lake Chapala area for less than $5000 MXP a month. From what I can tell by the pictures, mine is a nicer house but I didn't find it advertised on the internet.

As I understand it, deductions are automatically made from paychecks for homeownership. It's not voluntary.

Once someone has a house, property taxes are very affordable. People are not paying additional taxes and insurance if they have a house payment. On a $100,000 USD home, the annual property tax is about $100 USD. People don't have fire insurance because houses here don't burn. They might have other types of insurance but I've never heard of it.

Depends where you live, here in Texas you can find homes that size and only pay 1,000 a month or less if you give a good downpayment. The professions I mentioned would have no issue paying that because they get paid well here (even teachers). However, in Mexico it looks like it would be an issue as the rent or mortgage is more than what they make a month.

[Canaan-84]

Originally Posted by yosoy1

There even was an agreement, very recently, between FeCal and all of Mexico's information media to censor his failed drug war, and to portray his government as a success when in reality it is a complete failure...

many Mexicans now believe on his failed drug war that has killed thousands of civilians, some other thousands have disappeared and the rest of us live in fear...

here in Spanish, is the link to the article:

Medios de comunicación firman acuerdo contra la violencia - Yahoo! Noticias

99% of that drug violence is concentrated in the Northern States specifically near border cities. Now there is crime in Mexico like any other country but looking at statistics some of the larger U.S. cities have far more crime than the central cities of Mexico (I have family in Celaya, Salvatierra and Queretaro).

[axixic2]

Originally Posted by Canaan-84

Depends where you live, here in Texas you can find homes that size and only pay 1,000 a month or less if you give a good downpayment. The professions I mentioned would have no issue paying that because they get paid well here (even teachers). However, in Mexico it looks like it would be an issue as the rent or mortgage is more than what they make a month.

You are comparing houses for rent with the prices of houses for sale.

I selected minimum 3 bedrooms and maximum 1 million pesos or $86,000 USD. There are some nice houses under $60,000 USD. The prices are always negotiable.

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Rent is higher than a mortgage would be in the U.S. First, Mexico doesn't have a glut of houses like in the U.S. Second, it doesn't have FTA or VA loans. Third, taxes are cheap so they aren't out anything if the house sits. Fourth, the house is always paid for so the owner isn't making a mortgage payment.

If you are not a citizen or have permanent residency, you can't get a loan from a Mexican source in Mexico just like a foreigner without permanent residency in the U.S. can't get a home loan. There are foreigners here who will make loans but the down payment is usually 50% and the payout 10 years or less.

Do like many Mexicans do, live with relatives and build your house a little at a time when you have the money. That way you get what you want and the house is better. It's not unusual to see a house under construction for 10 years.

[montanamom]

I heard a similar report on NPR the other night - not sure if I'm buying it. I believe there is, at least in part, some serious spin going on here.

I live in the Southeast, in the North Carolina, and all I am seeing is an increase; no slowdown here at all. This may be partly because North Carolina is still such a sanctuary state, and we are probably seeing an influx from states that have decided to take action such as Arizona, Alabama, and Georgia.


What is really happening, in my opinion, is that American citizens are starting to hold government officials accountable on this issue, and our laws are starting be be enforced; in some states more than others. I don't buy the spin that they have simply stopped coming of their own accord.

Without the red carpet rolled out like it used to be, and with less of us being quiet about our country's laws being blatantly ignored, I'm not surprised that the flow has slowed somewhat. Amazing how actual enforcement of laws works when it's applied as intended.

I think the enforcement of laws within states is working TOO well, and reports like this are meant to quiet those of us who want tighter border security and enforcement. And the report that they are having less children? Come one, who's kidding who?

On the other hand, the new car I am driving, a Nissan, was assembled in Mexico, so maybe the jobs part of the equation is somewhat correct.

[AntonioR]

Originally Posted by montanamom

I heard a similar report on NPR the other night - not sure if I'm buying it. I believe there is, at least in part, some serious spin going on here.

I live in the Southeast, in the North Carolina, and all I am seeing is an increase; no slowdown here at all. This may be partly because North Carolina is still such a sanctuary state, and we are probably seeing an influx from states that have decided to take action such as Arizona, Alabama, and Georgia.

It could be a shuffling of the population that already exist in the country.

Its probably similar to what's happening with African Americans now that so many of them are returning to the south. For many people in northern states it must appear as if the African American population is decreasing everywhere, while for many southerners it must be the opposite.

Yet, the nationwide African American population isn't really growing by much, but it is migrating from one region to another.

The same is probably happening with the Mexican migrant population.

A little shuffling in a huge country like the US makes beliefs based on what a person sees in their local area a little misleading.

[axixic2]

It's always funny that we think we can look at someone and know if he is a legal or illegal immigrant or a natural born citizen.

It reminds me of one man I knew who was from New Mexico with the last name Martinez. People would ask him when he or his family came to the U.S., his answer was "In the 1500's."

Not all "Mexican" looking people are illegal immigrants. Many have been in the U.S. before it was the U.S.

I can't believe anyone thinks the "Red Carpet" was ever rolled out for illegal Mexican immigrants. I think most of them have been treated like trash and thrown out when they were no longer of any use.

The state of the Mexican economy is reported worldwide as well as its credit worthiness. It's hard to believe that someone thinks world economic numbers are made up to make those who hate illegal immigration happy. Mexico is booming compared to the U.S. with low unemployment numbers and high bond ratings.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by yosoy1

Well, I don't blame foreigners for believing in Calderon...we have plenty of supposedly educated Mexicans that believe in everything that FeCal says, what can we expect from foreigners?...

We have the same problem here with people believing in Obama and his administration has seen far less job creation than Calderon's, and our unemployment rates are way above Mexico's.