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Old 07-10-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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It could be a shuffling of the population that already exist in the country.

Its probably similar to what's happening with African Americans now that so many of them are returning to the south. For many people in northern states it must appear as if the African American population is decreasing everywhere, while for many southerners it must be the opposite.

Yet, the nationwide African American population isn't really growing by much, but it is migrating from one region to another.

The same is probably happening with the Mexican migrant population.

A little shuffling in a huge country like the US makes beliefs based on what a person sees in their local area a little misleading.
They're still coming over the border. Not for jobs because jobs in this region are very few. They found 3 of them in the canal just the other day but the border here is very porous and so many come through.

Not all come over illegally - they have shopping visas and just never return. The increase is very noticeable here.

I don't see any reason to believe illegal immigration rates are down. Combined immigration rates to the USA in 2010 were at an all time high, job opportunities aren't the sole reason to come here, we have some very nice safety nets that attract many.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Axixic, Jalisco, MX
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We have the same problem here with people believing in Obama and his administration has seen far less job creation than Calderon's, and our unemployment rates are way above Mexico's.
Like Canada, Mexico didn't have a banking crises. It had a dip in its economy caused by the U.S. economy going off a cliff, but it never hit depression levels like the U.S.

Neither Obama nor any president can turn around an economy as large as the U.S. in less than two years. He inherited it. He didn't create it. He inherited a depression that wasn't as bad as the Great Depression because of programs that FDR created that kept food on the tables and roofs above most people's heads.

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As the Wall Street Journal noted in the last month of Bush’s term, the former president had the “worst track record for job creation since the government began keeping records.” And job creation under Bush was anemic long before the recession began. Bush’s supply-side economics “fostered the weakest jobs and income growth in more than six decades,” along with “sluggish business investment and weak gross domestic product growth,” the Center for American Progress’ Joshua Picker explained. “On every major measurement” of income and employment, “the country lost ground during Bush’s two terms,” the National Journal’s Ron Brownstein observed, parsing Census data.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Elgin, Illinois
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They're still coming over the border. Not for jobs because jobs in this region are very few. They found 3 of them in the canal just the other day but the border here is very porous and so many come through.

Not all come over illegally - they have shopping visas and just never return. The increase is very noticeable here.

I don't see any reason to believe illegal immigration rates are down. Combined immigration rates to the USA in 2010 were at an all time high, job opportunities aren't the sole reason to come here, we have some very nice safety nets that attract many.
The article says that immigration from Mexico is decreasing not that it has stopped; anecdotal observations are not enough to come to a consensus. Also, how do you know that they are mexican? They could very well be central or south Americans who have recently started to Immigrate to the U.S.
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Old 07-11-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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They're still coming over the border. Not for jobs because jobs in this region are very few. They found 3 of them in the canal just the other day but the border here is very porous and so many come through.

Not all come over illegally - they have shopping visas and just never return. The increase is very noticeable here.

I don't see any reason to believe illegal immigration rates are down. Combined immigration rates to the USA in 2010 were at an all time high, job opportunities aren't the sole reason to come here, we have some very nice safety nets that attract many.
In El Paso is very noticeable because the violence of Juarez, many middle class people from Juarez pass the border with visas and stay in El Paso for long time.

But overall, the immigration from Mexico is down and will continue that way.
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:30 AM
 
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Mexico is the 12th largest economy of the world. How can anyone expect any different? The only reason 5% of the Mexican population lives illegally in the United States is because Mexico needs to work on increasing opportunitites for those people who want to better themselves. This group of people will not settle for selling gum by the US Mexican border or dont have the connections to move up in the corporate world, so what do they do? Move illegally to the US.
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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Well, I don't blame foreigners for believing in Calderon...we have plenty of supposedly educated Mexicans that believe in everything that FeCal says, what can we expect from foreigners?...
It's also possible that your automatic distrust of government comes from the fact that Mexican leaders, particularly in the recent past and before, were not exactly trustworthy. I think there is going to be be a disconnect between the average Mexican and how they view the government. Even if the government was 100% honest and dedicated to fixing Mexico's problems, I suspect a large portion of the population would hate them simply because they were government. I do think Calderon has tried to do right by fighting the cartels, something past administrations wouldn't touch. Has it been totally successful? No. But no "war on drugs" has been, including in the US. The violence associated with the cartel war has been terrible, and certainly a media black-eye for Mexico, but what choice is there? Ignore it?
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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people join the drug cartels because there are no jobs, no opportunities in education, etc...
And how do you account for all the Americans who are engaged in criminal activity, like drug trafficking, prostitution, fraud, petty theft, burglary, car theft, etc. It's because in America, there are no jobs (that pay that well) and no opportunities in education (at ghetto schools)..
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Mexico
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And how do you account for all the Americans who are engaged in criminal activity, like drug trafficking, prostitution, fraud, petty theft, burglary, car theft, etc. It's because in America, there are no jobs (that pay that well) and no opportunities in education (at ghetto schools)..
Crime in the USA is different than in Mexico or any other country.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Crime in the USA is different than in Mexico or any other country.

Oh, I get it. When your argument is challenged, you just say "Well, that's different."
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Old 09-30-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Mexico
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Oh, I get it. When your argument is challenged, you just say "Well, that's different."
It is different and I stand by what I said.
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