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Old 01-11-2012, 08:24 PM
 
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The author of the linked story is poorly educated on this issue. Responding to the errors in judgment/facts would take too much time. But I think it's important to point-out that President Calderon didn't launch the war against the terrorists. It started under the PRI dictatorship, the term of Ernesto Zedillo. President Fox ramped-up the war. President Calderon, seeing large areas of the country then under the control of forces other than the government had little choice but to defend the sovergnty of his nation. Yes, Mexicans are a corrupt people. Hugely dishonest. Largely violent. But the terrorists are fueled by profits gained from drug addicts in the USA and the USA is largely responsible for the war.
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:59 PM
 
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like article is shocking.

World News - One killed every half hour in Mexico drug-related violence
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:02 PM
 
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The author of the linked story is poorly educated on this issue. Responding to the errors in judgment/facts would take too much time. But I think it's important to point-out that President Calderon didn't launch the war against the terrorists. It started under the PRI dictatorship, the term of Ernesto Zedillo. President Fox ramped-up the war. President Calderon, seeing large areas of the country then under the control of forces other than the government had little choice but to defend the sovergnty of his nation. Yes, Mexicans are a corrupt people. Hugely dishonest. Largely violent. But the terrorists are fueled by profits gained from drug addicts in the USA and the USA is largely responsible for the war.
The policy is associated with Pres. Calderon though.
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Old 01-14-2012, 06:28 AM
 
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The policy is associated with President Calderon because writers of articles, who should be expected to research the topic before presenting conjured "facts", are lazy. More people died in Mexico's war against drug cartels during the last 6-8 years of the PRI dictatorship than during the smiliar period since PAN introduced, or re-introduced, democracy. The reasons we didn't read much about the war in the Mexican media are related to PRI/government press censorship. With the freedom of the press supported by PAN presidents so much more information is public. Calderon's time in office, I grant you, will be defined by the continuing deterioration of life in Mexico due to the war.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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so we agree.
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Old 01-18-2012, 10:46 PM
 
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The policy is associated with President Calderon because writers of articles, who should be expected to research the topic before presenting conjured "facts", are lazy. More people died in Mexico's war against drug cartels during the last 6-8 years of the PRI dictatorship than during the smiliar period since PAN introduced, or re-introduced, democracy. The reasons we didn't read much about the war in the Mexican media are related to PRI/government press censorship. With the freedom of the press supported by PAN presidents so much more information is public. Calderon's time in office, I grant you, will be defined by the continuing deterioration of life in Mexico due to the war.
Where is your proof more than 15,000 people died each year in drug related violence in the PRI years? Sorry but I'm calling BS on this. Mexico's drug cartels in the 90s were nothing close to what they are today.

Freedom of the press these days ain't much better than it was back then, the cartels have enforced silence on drug war reporting.
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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9 dead in Monterrey Thursday. 8 in Juarez since yesterday...

Is Mexico a failed state or becoming one?
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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Where is your proof more than 15,000 people died each year in drug related violence in the PRI years? Sorry but I'm calling BS on this. Mexico's drug cartels in the 90s were nothing close to what they are today.

Freedom of the press these days ain't much better than it was back then, the cartels have enforced silence on drug war reporting.
Those are the reports of the PRI leadership, as well as that of PAN. Both leaders gave speeches mid-year, last year confirming the numbers. The last 6 years of the PRI dictatorship are those where the violence ramped-up. The cartels were given special consideration by the government officials and Generals who personally profited. The PAN Presidents haven't fostered the same level of corruption. The cartels have splintered, and there are more groups, and major elements of the military deserted and formed cartel groups. Each of us will form our own opinions. Some people out of ignorance. Others becuase they inform themselves.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:14 PM
 
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9 dead in Monterrey Thursday. 8 in Juarez since yesterday...

Is Mexico a failed state or becoming one?
Almost on the verge of a failed state. Major portions of the country, the geography of the country, are controlled by the terrorists ... not by the federal government.
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Old 01-29-2012, 04:49 PM
 
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Where is your proof more than 15,000 people died each year in drug related violence in the PRI years? Sorry but I'm calling BS on this. Mexico's drug cartels in the 90s were nothing close to what they are today.

Freedom of the press these days ain't much better than it was back then, the cartels have enforced silence on drug war reporting.
Well the reality might be something otherwise it seems. And Juarez's murder rate is down considerably from what it was. Maybe it's just the reporting of the violence that has changed. Check out this report:

Special report: Calderón years trail others for homicides (4:27 a.m.) - Las Cruces Sun-News

Mexico had higher homicide rates under three presidents before current President Felipe Calderón, who is being blamed for most of the violence because of his war against drug cartels, according to El Paso Times research and analysis.

The country's homicide rates were higher during the presidencies of Miguel De la Madrid, at 19.22 per 100,000 population; Carlos Salinas de Gortari, at 18.92; and Ernesto Zedillo, at 15.1.

Between 2007 and 2011, the homicide rate for Mexico under Calderón was 14.53 per 100,000. The homicide rate in the Vicente Fox administration was 9.78 per 100,000.....

In 1931, when the federal government began recording homicide statistics, the rate for that year was 50.78 per 100,000 and the total number of slayings was 8,551. The national population was about a fifth of what it is today. Other previous homicide rates are telling: 67.04 in 1940, 35.93 in 1955, 25.48 in 1950, and 25.48 in 1962.
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