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Old 05-13-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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This is all like the drug pusher claiming to be the victim.

People such as Whitney Houston are definitely more the victim -- some greedy drug trafficker got very rich from her demise. Yet people want to blame the destroyed victims of drug pushers. Weird.

Drug traffickers are the most evil sort of people on the planet. Bernie Madoff sits in prison for getting people's money but he didn't destroy their bodies like the drug pushers do for their greed.

The love of money is the root of all evil and no one loves money more than a drug lord.

 
Old 05-13-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Right, they could cooperate with each other like the U.S. gangs did during Prohibition or do today.

The point being that there would not be any gangs at all battling each other for turf peacefully or violently if the U.S. didn't buy drugs.
I suppose your naive innocent drug traffickers didn't realize the addictiveness of the drugs they're hauling and that's why they're very often supplying middle school kids with candy colored crystal meth.

When you deliberately target people to poison with the most addictive substances you can find, all because you want their money, then you are not naive or innocent. Too many in Mexico laughed at the thought of Americans becoming addicted and took pride in how much money their cartels were making at the destruction of the American addicts -- inner city youths, celebrities, and they were not content to stop there.

But now you're claiming these people found dead were innocent -- so what does that have to do with Americans all being a bunch of drug addicts?

That would indicate more the fact that these evil cartel types will do ANYTHING for money, if they aren't running drugs over the border to destroy the lives of Americans, they're kidnapping and killing innocent people in Mexico. Maybe this was about ransom money and not drugs? How would Americans have any control over that?
 
Old 05-13-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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The US is mostly responsible for the massive drug trade from Mexico, it's true. But Mexico is mostly responsible for the drug violence in it's own country. No 1st World country would tolerate the BS going on in Mexico right now. Stop trying to blame the US when it's your rampant corruption and lawlessness which allow it to continue.
While we realize that the US is not perfect by a long shot, it is indeed time for Mexico to grow up, take responsibility for it's people, their actions and their own country.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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I suppose your naive innocent drug traffickers didn't realize the addictiveness of the drugs they're hauling and that's why they're very often supplying middle school kids with candy colored crystal meth.

When you deliberately target people to poison with the most addictive substances you can find, all because you want their money, then you are not naive or innocent. Too many in Mexico laughed at the thought of Americans becoming addicted and took pride in how much money their cartels were making at the destruction of the American addicts -- inner city youths, celebrities, and they were not content to stop there.

But now you're claiming these people found dead were innocent -- so what does that have to do with Americans all being a bunch of drug addicts?

That would indicate more the fact that these evil cartel types will do ANYTHING for money, if they aren't running drugs over the border to destroy the lives of Americans, they're kidnapping and killing innocent people in Mexico. Maybe this was about ransom money and not drugs? How would Americans have any control over that?
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Mexican drug cartels recruiting Texas children

Texas law enforcement officials say several Mexican drug cartels are luring youngsters as young as 11 to work in their smuggling operations.
Mexican drug cartels recruiting Texas children | worldwide hippies


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The Mexico drug war: Bodies for billions

Traffickers are recruiting in the United States, and prefer to hire young. Texas high schools say cartel members have been on their campuses. Most notoriously, a 14-year-old from San Diego became a head-chopping cartel assassin.


The Mexico drug war: Bodies for billions - CNN.com

To blame the users for the actions and greed of drug cartels is beyond ridiculous. Addiction is an uncontrollable disease. The users are victims of their sickness, cartels on the otherhand are simply heartless and beyond greedy.

When you recruit children to murder in the name of your personal greed, it doesn't get much lower than that.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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If drugs were made legal today and the cartels found out they could make a lot of money knitting mini hamster clothes tomorrow they would all switch. I doubt they care what it involves so long as it makes them tons of money. If you look like you have money in Mexico you better be looking over your shoulder.


That fact has nothing to do with the U.S.A.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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If drugs were made legal today and the cartels found out they could make a lot of money knitting mini hamster clothes tomorrow they would all switch. I doubt they care what it involves so long as it makes them tons of money. If you look like you have money in Mexico you better be looking over your shoulder.


That fact has nothing to do with the U.S.A.
Yes. The only way it would have anything to do with the USA is if the dead were drug traffickers and then their deaths are actually not a bad thing at all.

If it's true they were innocent people, then the cartels probably kidnapped them for some nice hefty ransom money and killed them when the money didn't arrive soon enough. But then there is no way to blame Americans, even the desperate drug addicts for these deaths.

Or should we discuss legalization of kidnap for ransom because these cartels are going to do it whether it's legal or not and they want big easy money?
 
Old 05-13-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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If drugs were made legal today and the cartels found out they could make a lot of money knitting mini hamster clothes tomorrow they would all switch. I doubt they care what it involves so long as it makes them tons of money. If you look like you have money in Mexico you better be looking over your shoulder.


That fact has nothing to do with the U.S.A.
Agreed. The abundance of their greed totally dictates their ruthlessness and continues the cycle of incomprehensible violence. They would kill their own mothers for a dollar.
 
Old 05-13-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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The New York Times is featuring a lengthy article in it's Sunday (5/14) editions discussing the war deaths and victims of other crimes ... and how some families are dealing with the uncertainties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/wo...in-mexico.html
 
Old 05-13-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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The New York Times is featuring a lengthy article in it's Sunday (5/14) editions discussing the war deaths and victims of other crimes ... and how some families are dealing with the uncertainties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/wo...in-mexico.html

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He had seemed untroubled, his brother said, but after the funeral a mutual friend told him of the extortion call.
Other family members speculated over his connection to cockfighting, a hobby. A friend who raised the birds with Alfredo eight of them remain caged in a house said he had never bet and only indulged in it for fun. But he allowed that certainly shady characters showed up at the fights, the last of which was the day before Mr. Carrillo was killed.
Family and friends wondered if the gunmen had a problem with one of the workers at the shop, though why all of them were killed defied explanation.
Unfortunately, the truth died with these men and may never be known. One thing's for sure, American prisons are packed to the gills with mexican national criminals.

Mexico needs to do better in terms of reeling in and prosecuting their vicious, money hungry, blood thirsty animals.

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Most foreign prisoners in US are Mexicans - report

By Valeria Perasso BBC Mundo, Los Angeles
Foreign prisoners cost US taxpayers up to $1.6bn per year, the report found
Continue reading the main story Related Stories
Almost seven in every 10 foreign prisoners in US jails are Mexicans, a US government report has revealed.
A report by the US Government Accountability Office also states that between 2005 and 2010, there was a 7% increase in the number of foreign inmates in federal prisons.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13201212
 
Old 05-13-2012, 07:13 PM
 
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Axixics2:

In post #16 you claim republicans are sociopaths and only want war so they are bad for the US.

In post #17 you claim the US is only lending CIA, retired military etc and should be doing more ie drones.

In post #31 there is a quote where someone was convicted of slitting someones throat and gets 3 years.

OK, you don't want war with the US but you want drones so you can arrest a murderer and get him off the streets for 3 years????????? Really???????

Why should the US help for a 3 year sentence. Sounds to me like Mexico is happy with the way things are.
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