why chicano's dream to be white? (Hispanic, Jewish, Americans, Mexicans)

[axixic2]

Originally Posted by gomexico

It's been true for years ... ad agencies in Mexico would rather use models (male and female) who were from Argentina than Mexican nationals. Because they didn't look so "Mexican." Illusory. Look at so many of the telenovela stars. Plastic and cosmetic surgery. Each Spring in Mexico City you'll see throngs of young men who've had nose jobs. They don't want to look as Mexican as they were born. People have been exposed to too many movies and too much television from abroad. There's a lack of self esteem. But the world over many people want to be what we aren't.

Changing one's appearance has been practiced for thousands of years. Cleopatra was not a beauty and she wore very heavy make-up which was the style. One picture shows her as mixed race but as a Pharaoh and the offspring of a Pharaoh, she was the issue of a brother-sister marriage and Greek. Her Pharaoh ancestors were Greek and all offspring were brother-sister marriages to keep the lineage Greek.

Mexicans get plastic surgery just like people in all other countries get plastic surgery. Everyone can be tweaked a little. It's the oddballs who want to look like Ken or Barbie.

[AuburnAL]

Originally Posted by sanluisito

for being honest, i have never seen a white mexican in the united states. maybe some "gueros de rancho" that are blonde mexicans but with amerind features.

There are white people of Mexican ancestry in the US. The ones I have known came from families that have been in the US for generations. They are no different and don't stand out from other white Americans. In general most white Hispanics that I have know were that way, in that if they hadn't told me their parents, grandparents, or or other ancestors had come from Mexico, Cuba, El Salvador, or wherever you like I never would have guessed it.

The majority of recent arrivals appear to be Indians (but many are probably mestizo, though that could also probably be said for most white Americans and Mexicans), but I may have a distorted view of things as the vast majority of Mexicans in my part of the US come from Guerrero. It may be that in other parts of the US most of the recent arrivals look white.

[axixic2]

Originally Posted by AuburnAL

There are white people of Mexican ancestry in the US. The ones I have known came from families that have been in the US for generations. They are no different and don't stand out from other white Americans. In general most white Hispanics that I have know were that way, in that if they hadn't told me their parents, grandparents, or or other ancestors had come from Mexico, Cuba, El Salvador, or wherever you like I never would have guessed it.

The majority of recent arrivals appear to be Indians (but many are probably mestizo, though that could also probably be said for most white Americans and Mexicans), but I may have a distorted view of things as the vast majority of Mexicans in my part of the US come from Guerrero. It may be that in other parts of the US most of the recent arrivals look white.

The ones who illegally immigrate into the U.S. are the darker, stockier people.

I've know Mexicans from a NE part of Jalisco who are very tall, women almost 6', and naturally blond. I know a woman born in Mexico City who is over 6', red-hair, and blue-eyes. Like in the U.S., thousands of Europeans settled in Mexico.

Mazamitla, Jalisco and surrounding towns were settled by Norwegians and the buildings show that influence. The people are very light skinned Mexicans.

MAZAMITLA

[CowanStern]

Answer to OP question: Because White people control virtually all the wealth and power in the world, and if you're not white too, they're not going to let you have any.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by sanluisito

sorry for my english, but im not a english native speaker.

i have read in some many places where chicanos post if the passes like a white? or if you go to the united states they use any kind of body cream to make their skin look with, or a lot of them paint their hair to a "blonde" color.

why they try to appear what they are not. of course, the worst thing of all is to see mestizos arguing that they are descendant of spaniards, when they look completely different for a trained eye.

let's be honest, real white people in mexico are less than 5%, 90% of whites are of the elite, of course, people who do not cross the border to the usa looking for better oportunities.

for being honest, i have never seen a white mexican in the united states. maybe some "gueros de rancho" that are blonde mexicans but with amerind features.

I wouldn't say that mexican americans want to be white. Most of us are proud of our Aztec heritage and the contributions and sacrifices that our ancestors made for us. Looking "white" is merely a byproduct of wanting an "easier life". White ppl generally have it much easier in this country and have more opportunities, just like in Mexico. White ppl were/are also heavily promoted as the symbols of beauty in this country until very recently. Nowadays, you see such beauties like Queen Latifah, Eva lOngoria, Jennifer Lopez, etc. that's only a recent phenomenon.

[sanluisito]

I dont know which are the standards to consider a white people, white in the USA.

At least in Mexico, some people say that the are white because they have light skin color. Of course, they say they are white but they are not considered caucasian

The way mexican goverment educate their population is to say that all mexicans are mestizos. The purpose of that, is to make think that mestizos and white are of the same race, and in that way make possible the mixture.

Most of whites in Mexico do not mix with mestizos nor native americans, allways white people protect the high ranges on enterprise to people of the same elite. The result is that in white mexican companies mestizos have no opportunities to grow.

Dont matter if you are from scandinavian heritage, you could receive bad threatment of custom police, mainly of chicano police of laredo, el paso, for example because they have a great complex against white mexicans.

[Almeida93]

Originally Posted by sanluisito

sorry for my english, but im not a english native speaker.

i have read in some many places where chicanos post if the passes like a white? or if you go to the united states they use any kind of body cream to make their skin look with, or a lot of them paint their hair to a "blonde" color.

why they try to appear what they are not. of course, the worst thing of all is to see mestizos arguing that they are descendant of spaniards, when they look completely different for a trained eye.

let's be honest, real white people in mexico are less than 5%, 90% of whites are of the elite, of course, people who do not cross the border to the usa looking for better oportunities.

for being honest, i have never seen a white mexican in the united states. maybe some "gueros de rancho" that are blonde mexicans but with amerind features.

This is a very ignorant post

Most famous Mexican-Americans

File:Mexican Americans.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take a good look at them, most of them are "morena/no claro" or light brown/tan

Look mexican media conglomerates such as Tevelisa, TV Azteca, Univision, and all the channels they own. Look at the Host and Cohosts...all of them are "whiter" than the famous mexican-americans that i showed you. But almost of mexicans and mexican-americans look "morena/no claro" tannish/light brownish. So it is your media that actually wants to depict mexicans as being of light skin, which encourage others mexicans to want to be whiter. Just look at the audience in Sabadazo (a Televisa comic show) which depicts the hosts of light color while the audience in the background are all short and morenos.

Asi que no estes de ridicula poniendo pendejedas aqui.

A good portion of Americans and Northern Europeans who are pale and pinkish want to be tanner
While a good portion of blacks,asians(including India), and browns want to look whiter.

[gomexico]

Originally Posted by Almeida93

This is a very ignorant post

At long last ... an intelligent comment.

[MetalLord]

Originally Posted by Almeida93

Most famous Mexican-Americans

File:Mexican Americans.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take a good look at them, most of them are "morena/no claro" or light brown/tan

Somewhat related. Years ago as an undergrad, I was taking this Asian Studies class for general ed credit. I did a group project with a bunch of other guys (I was the one non-Asian) and we decided to compare American girly mags to girly mags from Hong Kong and the Phillipines, in terms of how Asian women were portrayed. There were the obvious differences, such as them being portrayed as foreign exotic vamps in the American mags. But we found some more subtle ones. Mainly, in American magazines the girls basically look like white chicks with black hair and Asian eyes, down to their very facial structures. Big boobs, square jaws, curvy (but not too curvy), long legs, etc. Whereas in the Asian mags they were more typically Asian.

[lame_excuse]

Originally Posted by sanluisito

sorry for my english, but im not a english native speaker.

Neither was I, but now it's practically my native language.

Originally Posted by sanluisito

i have read in some many places where chicanos post if the passes like a white? or if you go to the united states they use any kind of body cream to make their skin look with, or a lot of them paint their hair to a "blonde" color.

You probably read misinformation from terrible sources. I've heard of people wanting a lighter skin tone (it's natural for people to dislike their physical traits), and I thought dying their hair blonde was a fad (which I find to be incredibly hot.)

Originally Posted by sanluisito

why they try to appear what they are not. of course, the worst thing of all is to see mestizos arguing that they are descendant of spaniards, when they look completely different for a trained eye.

To be honest, I'm curious to know if I have any Spanish blood. I probably do since I have family with somewhat lighter skin tone, but it might not be Spanish (which makes it even better!) I'm just curious about my ancestry and want to embrace it one way or another.

Originally Posted by sanluisito

let's be honest, real white people in mexico are less than 5%, 90% of whites are of the elite, of course, people who do not cross the border to the usa looking for better oportunities.

for being honest, i have never seen a white mexican in the united states. maybe some "gueros de rancho" that are blonde mexicans but with amerind features.

I've seen one in middle school. White as snow with frosted hair tips.

Originally Posted by Almeida93

Asi que no estes de ridicula poniendo pendejedas aqui.

Hear, hear!

Originally Posted by sanluisito

Dont matter if you are from scandinavian heritage, you could receive bad threatment of custom police, mainly of chicano police of laredo, el paso, for example because they have a great complex against white mexicans.

This I did not know. I find it hard to believe, but at the same time I wouldn't put it past people doing this.