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Old 12-28-2014, 01:18 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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It's on a person-by-person basis. I guess you'd have to determine what "looks" white to you. In the South and Midwest, I think the definition of white is narrower than in a place like New York. A Greek or Italian in the South is a different kind of white than a Scots-Irish descended person with auburn hair.

Being from Texas, I've met few Mexicans or Mexican Americans that appeared "white" to me. They can have white skin, but they don't generally look white. They are white the way a Japanese person is white. The skin can be quite pale but it's different in some inexplicable way.

I think it's because white people are often pale but with a certain rosy, reddish tint. Mexicans with white skin don't seem to have the reddish hue...more like brown tint underneath the white.

 
Old 12-28-2014, 02:11 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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It's on a person-by-person basis. I guess you'd have to determine what "looks" white to you. In the South and Midwest, I think the definition of white is narrower than in a place like New York. A Greek or Italian in the South is a different kind of white than a Scots-Irish descended person with auburn hair.

Being from Texas, I've met few Mexicans or Mexican Americans that appeared "white" to me. They can have white skin, but they don't generally look white. They are white the way a Japanese person is white. The skin can be quite pale but it's different in some inexplicable way.

I think it's because white people are often pale but with a certain rosy, reddish tint. Mexicans with white skin don't seem to have the reddish hue...more like brown tint underneath the white.
Is Russell Brand white?



Believe it or not, he's an Englishman (I can't find anything on him having non-English ancestry). It's not always about appearance.

Guillermo del Toro is a good example of a white Mexican. Guillermo del Toro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They certainly do exist, and they can be of any European background, just as Americans can be. However, they are the minority in Mexico. Most Mexicans are have some amount of Amerindian ancestry.
 
Old 12-28-2014, 03:19 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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To me most Mexicans are mixed... part Spanish, part Aztec or Mayan or whatever is native to Mexico. I don't see them as none of the latter, but just as Mexicans.

Most Mexicans are brown. The Spanish ones might be olive though, lol... like Italians.
The Spanish ones are white. We have descendants of those here in NM. They're white, indistinguishable from the Anglos around, by skin color. And most have intermarried among themselves over the centuries, so there's no outside Native or Anglo influence. They're white.
 
Old 12-28-2014, 04:38 PM
 
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It's on a person-by-person basis. I guess you'd have to determine what "looks" white to you. In the South and Midwest, I think the definition of white is narrower than in a place like New York. A Greek or Italian in the South is a different kind of white than a Scots-Irish descended person with auburn hair.

Being from Texas, I've met few Mexicans or Mexican Americans that appeared "white" to me. They can have white skin, but they don't generally look white. They are white the way a Japanese person is white. The skin can be quite pale but it's different in some inexplicable way.

I think it's because white people are often pale but with a certain rosy, reddish tint. Mexicans with white skin don't seem to have the reddish hue...more like brown tint underneath the white.
Can you show us a picture of a Mexican Luke that to understand what you mean?
 
Old 12-28-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA>Tijuana, BC>San Antonio, TX
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^^^I would say Canelo Alvarez fits this criteria, he is obviously light skinned with red hair but he has obvious Amerindian facial features.

Vicente Fox on the other hand could pass for full blooded Euro.
 
Old 12-28-2014, 07:46 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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^^^I would say Canelo Alvarez fits this criteria, he is obviously light skinned with red hair but he has obvious Amerindian facial features.

Vicente Fox on the other hand could pass for full blooded Euro.
Agreed about Fox. He could pass for central/Eastern European easily. Kind of reminds me of a slimmer Dick Butkus or Mike Ditka.
 
Old 12-28-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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^^^I would say Canelo Alvarez fits this criteria, he is obviously light skinned with red hair but he has obvious Amerindian facial features.

Vicente Fox on the other hand could pass for full blooded Euro.
From his Wikipedia page:

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His father was ... a Mexican citizen, and his mother ... was Basque from San Sebastian, Gipuzkoa, Spain. Fox's paternal grandfather was ... the son of German Catholic immigrants ...
Vicente Fox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So he's at least 75% white, probably more, if not 100% so.

He looks a bit swarthy to me, but he could easily be of full European descent. Depends on his paternal grandmother, whose origins are not mentioned.
 
Old 12-28-2014, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Centro Tejas
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From his Wikipedia page:

Vicente Fox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So he's at least 75% white, probably more, if not 100% so.

He looks a bit swarthy to me, but he could easily be of full European descent. Depends on his paternal grandmother, whose origins are not mentioned.
Tons of pure Europeans are swarthy, just saying. My bff is 2nd generation Italian (both parents are from Venezia)...and she's a bit darker than me. I also had a brief fling with a 2nd gen Greek (both parents were from Athens)...who is also swarthy. Don't even get me started on many FSUB co-workers I had back when I lived in the east coast: many were pretty swarthy with black hair.
 
Old 12-29-2014, 06:07 AM
 
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Mexico is the country of the three cultures since their inception. The Malinche that made possible that the Malinchin could crush Aztecs and Tenochtitlan. As such, is was a painful birth, but that created a very solid nation not based on race and religion. In this sense, the U.S of Mexico is 300 years ahead of the US. Both are bound to become a single country in the future.

Just as in the US, the white ones are white. Criollos are white, some have been living for 400 years in Mexico. If you control the last names of old criollo families, many are direct descendants of Conquistadors and there are more than 500 descendants of Cortez himself.

There are direct descendants of the nations that supported Cortez as Tlascalands, Indian nations that still hold to their heritage, Menonnites, Chinese, Jews, etc.

Just like any American nations, outsiders and locals.
 
Old 12-29-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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Mexicans can be any color. My fiance is Mexican American who is brown but her family is all over the place from dark to light skinned.
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