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Old 08-07-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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Stereotypes.

I don't understand why people keep think they are not developed because of "their customs".
Exactly, how can someone claim that nations such as Brazil and Mexico have not changed in 500 years? must be blind!
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Old 08-11-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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Stereotypes.

I don't understand why people keep think they are not developed because of "their customs".
"Developed," "developing," and "undeveloped" are terms of art in political economy. Mexico is definitely developing, not developed. It will not be developed until, among other changes, it has a substantial middle class. This can be done. It is not impossible. There is just not the will to do it. Korea developed a substantial middle class in ONE GENERATION, and went from an undeveloped, Third World nation in the early Fifties, with an average life expectancy of below 40, to an unquestionably fully developed First World nation today, with one of the highest life expectancies in the world.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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"Developed," "developing," and "undeveloped" are terms of art in political economy. Mexico is definitely developing, not developed. It will not be developed until, among other changes, it has a substantial middle class. This can be done. It is not impossible. There is just not the will to do it. Korea developed a substantial middle class in ONE GENERATION, and went from an undeveloped, Third World nation in the early Fifties, with an average life expectancy of below 40, to an unquestionably fully developed First World nation today, with one of the highest life expectancies in the world.
Korea is not a good example. The stress levels of the people of Korea is cause of alarm. Their society has become an empty, materialistic and consumerist to the extreme.

The path that Mexico should follow is Chile that has been very successful by combining education, social programs and increased productivity.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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Korea is not a good example. The stress levels of the people of Korea is cause of alarm. Their society has become an empty, materialistic and consumerist to the extreme.

The path that Mexico should follow is Chile that has been very successful by combining education, social programs and increased productivity.
I have lived in Korea, and those are reasonable points about Korea - although I will say, Koreans are extremely proud of what they have accomplished, and seem to accept the stress as a trade-off. You are perfectly correct to point out that Mexico does not have to follow THAT model; I merely wished to point out that the model exists.

A Mexican middle class is developing, but slowly. In my observation, the Mexican upper class does not WANT the development of a robust Mexican middle class; they are perfectly happy with the way things are, where they have all the power and all the money.
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Old 08-11-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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A Mexican middle class is developing, but slowly. In my observation, the Mexican upper class does not WANT the development of a robust Mexican middle class; they are perfectly happy with the way things are, where they have all the power and all the money.
Is not the Mexican Upper Class, to them, the entrepreneur concur with a strong middle class in Mexico, because that means more money for them.

To those who would not suit a thriving and educated middle class is the politicians who benefit from poverty and ignorance, they are the shackle that we have to break forward.
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Old 08-15-2014, 02:28 PM
 
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A Mexican middle class is developing, but slowly. In my observation, the Mexican upper class does not WANT the development of a robust Mexican middle class; they are perfectly happy with the way things are, where they have all the power and all the money.
19,828,618 scheduled domestic air passengers in Mexico in 2005
30,487,547 scheduled domestic air passengers in Mexico in 2013

The airlines are looking at the large jump in domestic air passengers, as an indicator of a growing middle class. All four major airlines (Aeromexico, Volaris, Interjet, and Vivaaerobus) are investing heavily in new airframes as if they were planning for major growth in the next few years.

They all point to a growing middle class. Personally, I am unsure about their conclusions. There are roughly 75 million trips per year taken in executive or luxury buses in Mexico. Those people are already paying close to the price of low cost air fare. It wouldn't take a major class shakeup to double the domestic air traffic in Mexico.
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Old 08-15-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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19,828,618 scheduled domestic air passengers in Mexico in 2005
30,487,547 scheduled domestic air passengers in Mexico in 2013

The airlines are looking at the large jump in domestic air passengers, as an indicator of a growing middle class. All four major airlines (Aeromexico, Volaris, Interjet, and Vivaaerobus) are investing heavily in new airframes as if they were planning for major growth in the next few years.

They all point to a growing middle class. Personally, I am unsure about their conclusions. There are roughly 75 million trips per year taken in executive or luxury buses in Mexico. Those people are already paying close to the price of low cost air fare. It wouldn't take a major class shakeup to double the domestic air traffic in Mexico.
There's a reason it's called Vivaaerobus. That airline is cheap/affordable, but literally feels like you are in a bus...in the sky. -_-
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Old 08-15-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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There's a reason it's called Vivaaerobus. That airline is cheap/affordable, but literally feels like you are in a bus...in the sky. -_-
Well Vivaaerobus is literally owned by a bus company called IAMSA .

But Viva has ordered over 40 jets and they are going to retire there old B737-300's (before Southwest retires theirs). All the other airlines have ordered large fleets of brand new single aisle jets, and AeroMexico is trying to procure 18 Dreamliners for their international destinations.

The government has ordered a specially outfitted Dreamliner as head of state aircraft, which will be the first time a democracy has ordered a widebody for their head of state that is on par with the US presidential aircraft in luxury and capability. Previously only Arab Kingdoms have ordered such aircraft.

In 1978 when US lifted deregulated the airline industry rapid growth ensued, but their were at least four mega airports that developed (Chicago, Los Angeles, Dallas Forth Worth, and Atlanta). Mexico has a huge reliance on Mexico City and Cancun. Guadalajara, Monterrey, and Tijuana are a distant second tier.
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Old 08-15-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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Well Vivaaerobus is literally owned by a bus company called IAMSA .
Also Ryan Air is partner in this airline and Viva Colombia.

Viva Aerobus is like Spirit in USA.

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The government has ordered a specially outfitted Dreamliner as head of state aircraft, which will be the first time a democracy has ordered a widebody for their head of state that is on par with the US presidential aircraft in luxury and capability. Previously only Arab Kingdoms have ordered such aircraft.
This is nothing to be proud of.
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:19 AM
 
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This is nothing to be proud of.
MEXICAN PRESIDENTIAL VISITS TO EUROPE AND AFRICA IN LAST YEAR
2013 10 Dec: South Africa - Funeral of former President Nelson Mandela, in Johannesburg.

2013 16-19 June: United Kingdom to attend a working meeting and then the 39th G8 Leaders Summit.
2013 05–06 Sep: Saint Petersburg, Russia for G-20 Russia summit at the Constantine Palace
2013 16-19 Dec: Turkey on a State visit.
2014 23-24 Jan: Davos, Switzerland for Annual meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF)
2014 05-06 Jun: Portugal state visit
2014 07-08 Jun: Holy See.
2014 09-10 Jun: Spain state visit



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hr7Jg91AC4

This video shows the current Mexican Presidential jet landing in Gander Newfoundland for refueling after Swiss visit
Fortunately, Gander is almost directly on the great circle route to most European capitals from Mexico City.

5130 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX)
4540 km Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX) to Zurich Airport, Zurich, CH (ZRH)
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9670 km
9670 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Zurich Airport, Zurich, CH (ZRH)

5130 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX)
3770 km Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX) to Heathrow, London, GB (LHR)
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8900 km
8900 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Heathrow, London, GB (LHR)

5130 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX)
4060 km Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX) to Heathrow, London, GB (LHR)
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9190 km
9060 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Barajas Arpt, Madrid, ES (MAD)

5230 km Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX) to Pulkovo Airport, St Petersburg, RU (LED)
6610 km Gander International, Gander, NF (YQX) to Etimesgut Arpt, Ankara, TR (ANK)

I am not sure how the Mexican president gets to Johannesburg. President Obama refuels in Senegal, but that may be too far for Mexico.
8590 km Juarez Intl, Mexico City, MX (MEX) to Leopold Sedar Senghor Arpt, Dakar, SN (DKR)

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But with the new 787-800 the President of Mexico actually has more range than the POTUS.
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