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Old 04-10-2008, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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Yeah, I could never, ever live in TJ. Been there many times, but holy crap! Talk about lack of infrastructure! Everything seems torn up, streets are horrible, sewers smell, and it's like they have no building codes or city planning/zoning. It's just so haphazard. And yes, it is dangerous. I'd never go there alone.

I think many Americans never go further south than the dirty border towns and then base their opinions of the entire country on them. You have to go further into Mexico to see the beauty of it.
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Old 04-10-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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I've been to TJ many, many times, and I can honestly say, if someone has never been to Mexico before, this is one of the last places I'd suggest visiting. It's dirty, disorganized, and unsafe. Just driving on down to Ensenada, you'd think they were in two different countries. Mexico has much more to offer than the border towns.
Last time I was down in Ensenada I picked up a copy of the "Gringo Gazette" and saw an article about the cruise ships dropping Ensenada as a destination. Something about the Mexican government imposing more taxes on the cruiselines.

If the ships stop coming the town will have a hard time.. I'd estimate at least 75% of Ensenada's economy is based around tourism.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Rosarito Beach
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The "Gringo Gazette" was an anti Mexico biased tabloid that enjoyed slandering and printing rumors. It's owner has been under indictment here and hides in California. She's gone and the paper's dead.

You know the adage, a picture is worth a thousand words -- just look at Tijuana! A vibrant cosmopolitan city! Danger? Pretty much like other cities in the world, use common sense, understand the laws (different here, Napolionic (SP?) based), and enjoy yourself!
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Old 04-11-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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The "Gringo Gazette" was an anti Mexico biased tabloid that enjoyed slandering and printing rumors. It's owner has been under indictment here and hides in California. She's gone and the paper's dead.

You know the adage, a picture is worth a thousand words -- just look at Tijuana! A vibrant cosmopolitan city! Danger? Pretty much like other cities in the world, use common sense, understand the laws (different here, Napolionic (SP?) based), and enjoy yourself!
You're talking about the Northern version of the newspaper. The Southern version is very much alive, well, and informative.

To say Tijuana is "pretty much like other cities in the world" is like saying the crime rate in Detroit is "pretty much like any other US city." It isn't. Whether from corrupt officials driven by the drug cartels or not, the level of violence in TJ is more than what many Americans may consider to be "normal."

How many stories do you hear of corrupt policeman taking money on the spot to drop charges, or driving someone to an ATM to withdraw money to pay a fine? Never.

My point was that there certain dangers that exist in TJ that people should be aware of; I fully agree with you regarding there parts of TJ that are beautiful.

Also I wasn't able to find those crime statistics online..
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Rosarito Beach
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Yeah, I know -- so how is Carrie these days, still hiding in CA?

That paper is also viewed as biased, by the locals.


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Old 04-11-2008, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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That paper is also viewed as biased, by the locals.


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Depends who you ask, it's hard to be biased when you're reporting facts.

And those statistics are from 2003, not 2007.

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Old 04-11-2008, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo - Kensington
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I've been frequenting TJ for over 10 years now, coming from Las Vegas, and will oftentimes spend 2-3 days in Central Tijuana, safely prowling the streets until 4AM, and I've never had a bad incident to report in 10 years, and I feel as safe there as I do in Las Vegas or San Diego. I have been all over Mexico and I still find TJ to be one of the most exciting cities in Mexico. It has far more potential for beauty than San Diego, it has the potential to be the San Francisco of Mexico. If you've ever climbed up to one of those steep hills you see as you approach Tijuana from San Diego, and looked north on a clear, sunny day and see all of San Diego and the Bay at your feet, it's a view worth paying for! Tijuana is a city of steep hills, and once developed properly, it could rival San Francisco for exciting hillside construction. I forever marvel at the intensity and urban qualities of Cental Tijuana. I can walk down any street in Central (NOT Revolution as I never go there) and trip after trip I'll notice shops I hadn't seen the last trip I took there. One of negligent aspects of U.S. urban planners, trying to lure people into their inner cities, is the abscence of grocery stores. Las Vegas has built some new high rises in downtown Las Vegas, and as you expect from U.S. urban planners, no grocery store. You still need a car to drive out of the city to shop for groceries. When staying in Central Tijuana, it's a real luxury to be able to walk a short ways to a big grocery store. What Tijuana needs is some high-rise condo construction in Central Tijuana, and the city will be off to the races! I fly to San Diego from Las Vegas and I can't get on that Tijuana Trolley fast enough to get away from that unspeakable sterility of downtown San Diego. Do they wash the sidewalks with Pine Sol every night? To me, it's unsufferably BORING!!!
Yeah, that's it, we're just jealous.
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Old 04-15-2008, 04:23 AM
 
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I always say to my friends unless your are in that "drug world" you will get in trouble in TJ. I
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Sun Diego, CA
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it will be a cesspool rivaling Los Angeles within a decade or two. California is past it's prime...

::sells house::
I love it how people love to find reasons to down California.
Dont try to down it for being the greatest state in the nation.
San Diego is an awesome city and safe as well. No wonder they call it
America's finest city. A label well earned. Downtown is vibrant, and the beach areas are awesome for hanging out.
Whereas L.A. does have its rough spots, there are still plenty of areas that are just beautiful and very safe.

Tijuana? While it does have many problems, its not the most dangerous city in the world as some of you are making it out to be. Are Tijuana's problems spilling into Southern California? Not really. Drugs are a problem that happens everywhere in the U.S., and in Southern California the problem isnt much greater. There arent drug wars carrying over to this area causing people to hide in their homes, chiefs of police being gunned down, and their families. Maybe human slavery, but you dont hear that much often. Its still very safe around here, and always will be.
The police force around the Southern California are not naive about the social problems that may carry on over here. They'll crack some heads if they have to.

If anything, I think Tijuana will get alot better over time. If you cross the border and drive down the area you see the American influence spilling over on the Mexican side. There are many large homes that are owned by Americans who happen to commute from TJ to SD. This trend is growing as many people see that they can buy land cheaper, and build bigger homes in TJ. With the growing number of people investing in the area, and with the U.S. governments help, its unlikely that the police force down there will get any worse than those days in the 80's and 90's where police corruption was big.

God knows that we dont know anything about police corruption in the U.S!? Remember New York in the early 1900's!
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:57 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Border towns all over the world tend to be dangerous places
because people can commit crimes on one side and then runaway to the other side.

It's similar to the border between Oklahoma and Texas.
On one side you have the casinos and on the other side you have liquor stores.
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