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Old 11-09-2008, 12:44 AM
 
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When I was born, no matter how much my parents fought to change my birth certificate, they were not sucessful. It still says I am "white". Go figure why the government would do that
Appearence wise can you pass for White ? Or never in a million years would the Anglos confuse you for one of them ?

 
Old 11-09-2008, 01:47 AM
 
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Again, looking "Anglo" is not the test for who is white. Most white people are not "Anglo."
 
Old 11-09-2008, 02:34 AM
 
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Again, looking "Anglo" is not the test for who is white. Most white people are not "Anglo."
Yeah it is, if appearence wise you do not look like you could have some typical generic whitebread sounding name like Paul Smith or Becky Parton than most Americans will not consider you to be white. If most people assume you have an exotic foreign sounding name just based on your appearence alone than you will most likely not be seen as white by most of American society. You don't exactly have to have a plain jane all American sounding name, but you sure as hell better have the appearence of somebody who does if you want to be accepted into the white clubhouse.

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Old 11-09-2008, 02:45 AM
 
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You're right that some Americans have an extremely narrow definition of white. However, whites can be "ethnic" as well. I have always lived in places where a huge contingent of the white population is NOT Anglo, and was composed of Jewish (of Russian/Polish/German/LatinAmerican heritage), Hispanic, and Italian people. These people are all of European origin and though not Anglo, were considered whites. I guess "ethnic whites" would be the commonly used term... it applies to me too. Anglos are generally NOT considered ethnic and are only a fraction of the white population.
 
Old 11-09-2008, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Again, looking "Anglo" is not the test for who is white. Most white people are not "Anglo."
Here in Arizona: all non Hispanic Whites are counted as 'Anglos'-----------no matter their actual ethnicity.
 
Old 11-09-2008, 06:52 AM
 
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Yeah it is, if appearence wise you do not look like you could have some typical generic whitebread sounding name like Paul Smith or Becky Parton than most Americans will not consider you to be white. If most people assume you have an exotic foreign sounding name just based on your appearence alone than you will most likely not be seen as white by most of American society. You don't exactly have to have a plain jane all American sounding name, but you sure as hell better have the appearence of somebody who does if you want to be accepted into the white clubhouse.
God do I know that from personal experience................

My birth name certainly did not match my appearance---------especially considering that an Islamist East Indian terrorist wanted by Interpol has exactly the same last name.

People used to see my name then they would meet me in person------------the shock on their faces when a 'Viking' walked up vs. a 'person of color'.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 01:28 AM
 
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Appearence wise can you pass for White ? Or never in a million years would the Anglos confuse you for one of them ?
Never in a million years. I'm as brown as can be.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 04:14 AM
 
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Dont know exactly why that is but this may be a clue. Back in the day when the west was new territory of the U.S., most Mexicans were documented as white and it was to differentiate between blacks who at that time were still segregated. At least that is what I was told in my history class.

When I was born, no matter how much my parents fought to change my birth certificate, they were not sucessful. It still says I am "white". Go figure why the government would do that.

Also, in some of the ethnic surveys you see in most government forms they separate color very clear by either Native American, Hispanic of "spanish origin (in other words white) or Black. In Mexico the two major groups are Indigenous and Spanish. Native American is not a term recognized by Mexico and even those that do have indigenous roots have for the most part lost the culture. Hence, they mark Hispanic...which makes them white.
Thanks for the info Zacatecana!

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Again, looking "Anglo" is not the test for who is white. Most white people are not "Anglo."
Guys, it seems that your (crisp444's & Jeff Jarrett's) discussion will never end because each one of you has a different definition of "white". Jeff Jarrett has a typical "Anglo" definition, whereas crisp444 has a wider range in mind.
I wouldn't say either is wrong. It's just different perceptions.
 
Old 11-10-2008, 04:10 PM
 
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Never in a million years. I'm as brown as can be.
So would you agree that the majority of that 47% of Mexicans that were classified as white in the U.S are not lightskin/fairskin and are actually brown like you ?
 
Old 11-10-2008, 04:35 PM
 
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So would you agree that the majority of that 47% of Mexicans that were classified as white in the U.S are not lightskin/fairskin and are actually brown like you ?
What you mean brown?

As you can see, then people of some mixed cultures as, arabs, semites, hindus, gypsies, etc...are not White?

In your opinion to be white you must have: almost transparent skin and blue eyes and speak english?

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