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Old 09-06-2008, 03:38 PM
 
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Mexican official: Oregon man drowned in own blood

CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico A Mexican prosecutor says an Oregon tourist drowned in his own blood while in police custody.


Sam Botner of Yancalla, Oregon, was arrested on Aug. 27 in the resort of San Jose del Cabo and was later found dead in a jail cell. Prosecutors say a surveillance video shows officers beating Botner.


In an interview Thursday with The Associated Press, state prosecutor Fernando Gonzalez said Botner suffered a ruptured spleen and then died of asphyxiation after internal bleeding blocked his airway.


Six police officers are under house arrest in the death.
Prosecutors have two weeks to determine whether they will bring charges in the case.


Canada World News - Mexican official: Oregon man drowned in own blood (broken link)


Sounds like cold blooded murder to me. I hope this guy has family members to keep this story alive.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:39 PM
 
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This could be a cover up-- just like some of those soldiers deaths in Iraq.
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:27 PM
 
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Call it what you want, even though its a culturally embedded norm and tradition in Mexico, murder by any other name is still murder.

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Old 09-06-2008, 05:29 PM
 
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Call it what you want, even though its a culturally embedded norm and tradition in Mexico, murder by any other name is still murder.
There you go.
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Old 09-06-2008, 05:37 PM
 
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Call it what you want, even though its a culturally embedded norm and tradition in Mexico, murder by any other name is still murder.
Murder happens everywhere. I guess it must be a culturally embedded norm in every single country. Who'd a thunk!
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Old 09-06-2008, 07:10 PM
 
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This could be a cover up-- just like some of those soldiers deaths in Iraq.
It doesn't sound like it to me.

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Botner, a father of three who was vacationing with his wife after returning from a commercial fishing trip, reportedly suffocated on his own blood Aug. 27 in a San Jose del Cabo jail. He was arrested in a condominium parking lot that day when he reportedly got into a fight.

Botner's wife, Kym, said she believes her husband was beaten to death while handcuffed and in police custody. After viewing postmortem photos, Kym Botner said someone at the jail "just mutilated" Sam.

"His nose was totally off the side of his face," she said. "The handcuff marks were horrible."
6 Mexican cops jailed in Oregon man's death - Breaking News From Oregon & Portland - Oregonlive.com
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:26 PM
 
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Ok lets be fair and honest here folks.
You go to another country. You better understand that breaking their laws is not an option. You better understand that an american in a foreign prison stands the same chance as a paperman in hell.
This man if I recall was involved in a fight. He was arrested and yes the mexican police put the boots to him. Perhaps he should have avoided the fight? Or perhaps he could have ran away and lived another day?
Why was he involved in the fight anyway? I don't know. What I do know and I am well traveled is that when you are in another country low profile, and never ever cross the police. It rarely ends well for the american.
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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Ok lets be fair and honest here folks.
You go to another country. You better understand that breaking their laws is not an option. You better understand that an american in a foreign prison stands the same chance as a paperman in hell.
This man if I recall was involved in a fight. He was arrested and yes the mexican police put the boots to him. Perhaps he should have avoided the fight? Or perhaps he could have ran away and lived another day?
Why was he involved in the fight anyway? I don't know. What I do know and I am well traveled is that when you are in another country low profile, and never ever cross the police. It rarely ends well for the american.
Better yet, don't go to Mexico in the first place. The American was wrong to become involved in a fight. The Mexican police were more wrong to beat him to the point where his spleen ruptured and he choked to death on his own blood.

When 'incidents' like this happen, we need someone in Washington who will call in the *********** Mexican Ambassador, close the door, lift him off the floor by the lapels of his jacket and say, "Listen, you'd better make real sure nothing like this ever happens again."
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:38 PM
 
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Better yet, don't go to Mexico in the first place. The American was wrong to become involved in a fight. The Mexican police were more wrong to beat him to the point where his spleen ruptured and he choked to death on his own blood.

When 'incidents' like this happen, we need someone in Washington who will call in the *********** Mexican Ambassador, close the door, lift him off the floor by the lapels of his jacket and say, "Listen, you'd better make real sure nothing like this ever happens again."

What?? LOL.

Any link to immigration yet?
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Old 09-06-2008, 09:49 PM
 
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Mexican official: Oregon man drowned in own blood

CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico — A Mexican prosecutor says an Oregon tourist drowned in his own blood while in police custody.


Sam Botner of Yancalla, Oregon, was arrested on Aug. 27 in the resort of San Jose del Cabo and was later found dead in a jail cell. Prosecutors say a surveillance video shows officers beating Botner.


In an interview Thursday with The Associated Press, state prosecutor Fernando Gonzalez said Botner suffered a ruptured spleen and then died of asphyxiation after internal bleeding blocked his airway.


Six police officers are under house arrest in the death.
Prosecutors have two weeks to determine whether they will bring charges in the case.


Canada World News - Mexican official: Oregon man drowned in own blood (broken link)


Sounds like cold blooded murder to me. I hope this guy has family members to keep this story alive.
Oh my Lord how awful. I have heard the jails there are extremely bad.

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