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Old 08-09-2009, 12:42 AM
 
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AZ, you have very interesting ideas of race I had never heard of.

 
Old 08-09-2009, 06:03 AM
 
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Mexicans pretend to be native Americans(Indians). But they are not. The majority of them are of mixed Amerindian/European ancestry. So they have no right to blame US whites for taking away their lands because their ancestors did the same thing.
America is so screwed up... All this multiculturalism crap... It seems that everyone has license to be racist exept whites.
Come to my country, we'll teach you some respect.
 
Old 08-09-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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la raza here in practice refers to Mestizos----------'fullblood' Anglo Whites, Blacks, etc. need not apply with the possible exception of White Spaniards.

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Most people understand that "La Raza" refers to mestizo Mexicans in the US.
 
Old 08-09-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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Most people understand that "La Raza" refers to mestizo Mexicans in the US.
Which means it's used as a racial term. It certainly does not mean to include most of "the people" of the USA and that's why La Raza is a race group.

Too bad we can't get back to Martin Luther King's notion of looking beyond the color of someone's skin, beyond race. Race groups that work to promote one race over others are contrary to what America should be about.
 
Old 08-10-2009, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Which means it's used as a racial term. It certainly does not mean to include most of "the people" of the USA and that's why La Raza is a race group.

Too bad we can't get back to Martin Luther King's notion of looking beyond the color of someone's skin, beyond race. Race groups that work to promote one race over others are contrary to what America should be about.
Never mind that there is no Hispanic race going by DNA testing.
 
Old 08-10-2009, 07:15 AM
 
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Never mind that there is no Hispanic race going by DNA testing.
There isn't Hispanic race but there are Mestizos.
 
Old 08-10-2009, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Tucson
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Which means it's used as a racial term.
Malamute, same times seems like you are missing the point, obviously "la Raza" no matter how you look at it, it is a racial term, as a matter of fact the both words come from the same root.

Generalizing, which is wrong, most people that uses the term "La Raza" in USA is refering to the organization.

Foreigners of latin descendency that uses the "La Raza" are meaning their friends, group, gang what ever you want to call it, meaning that close nit group of people one hang out with.

Most countries, other then USA or British descendents, do not have or show racism or prejudism as strong as they (USA & Britts) do.
 
Old 08-10-2009, 07:48 AM
 
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Foreigners of latin descendency that uses the "La Raza" are meaning their friends, group, gang what ever you want to call it, meaning that close nit group of people one hang out with.

Most countries, other then USA or British descendents, do not have or show racism or prejudism as strong as they (USA & Britts) do.
They still mean to imply their "race" or ethnicity with that label, they would not use the term "la raza" to describe a group of friends that included whites, blacks, asians, and others which they aren't likely to have when they consider raza to be of such great importance. You can bet "raza" was also used often in the Chino prison that just had a big race riot.

White racists would also view their friends, groups, and gangs by their racial characteristics and racial purity whether or not they actually use the term race to refer to them.

It's a label to divide people along racial or ethnic lines. It's not a good label in the USA.

It's kind of strange to accuse Americans and Brits of being racists when it's not them using "The Race" to describe themselves or their friends and gangs. I've never heard someone from England do that. I've never even seen where they attempt to exclude other races from their groups and friends or make race, ethnicty, breed whatever you call it so important that it's labeled as such. Race may be a problem in the USA but it's racial division that leads to it, people who see themselves as part of some distinct "race" or "raza" or put heavy emphasis on their own ethnic purity instead of seeing themselves as part of the American people.
 
Old 08-10-2009, 08:10 AM
 
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You´re wrong Malamute.

The race term in Mexico is used to refer to friends, no matter their race.

¨La Raza¨ the organization is an American organization in USA that advocates the rights of Latino immigrants in your society.

If these rights were not trampled by the Americans almost always, the organization should not be there, but as it is a fact that there is racism against Latinos and americans continue to take advantage of them, the organization has to gain strength and influence until this situation changes.

I hope this make things clear.
 
Old 08-10-2009, 08:27 PM
 
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You´re wrong Malamute.

The race term in Mexico is used to refer to friends, no matter their race.

¨La Raza¨ the organization is an American organization in USA that advocates the rights of Latino immigrants in your society.

If these rights were not trampled by the Americans almost always, the organization should not be there, but as it is a fact that there is racism against Latinos and americans continue to take advantage of them, the organization has to gain strength and influence until this situation changes.

I hope this make things clear.
Remember that only legal immigrants have actual rights---------illegal aliens (of any race/ethnicity) are criminals and need to be treated as such.
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