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Old 01-21-2010, 11:26 PM
 
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Old 01-21-2010, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Waits for ArizonaBear to say: "Mexico's rate has fallen because all of the birthers have immigrated illegally to the US".
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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Waits for ArizonaBear to say: "Mexico's rate has fallen because all of the birthers have immigrated illegally to the US".
There may be a shred of truth to that notion. From what I see in Houston, the families of those living here illegally are larger than the norm. Usually more than two, or three children from what I have witnessed. My church adopts needy families around the holidays and we deliver food and gifts to them during Thanksgiving, and Christmas, this is how I know; I have volunteered for these projects in the past.

In the US, illegal immigrant mothers will get free hospital stays, free births, free pediatric care, and free emergency room visits, free food stamps, and free WIC (milk and cheese). For those who are of school age, they get free education as well. At the extreme, many get free, or subsidized housing as well.

It is much easier for an illegal immigrant to give birth in the US than the country they are from, usually. That is not exclusive to Mexico, however. It could be argued that it is much easier in fact than a mother who is a US citizen. It is fortunate that we, as a nation, are able to do this for people.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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my great grandma on my mother's side had 12 children. the 12 of them had 4-5 kids each (my grandpa's generation), my mother's generation they all had 2-3kids (these were all the ones born from late 70's to early 90's, including myself). i see the difference.
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Old 01-22-2010, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Without the immigrants (legal and illegal) in the U.S. we'd have any number of vacant houses, apartments and commercial space.

The aging population is the biggest threat to the world.

Japan leads the way. Already they have vacant apartment buildings and commercial space with the lowest fertility rate in the world, and they're totally resistant to allowing immigrants to their country. And the ones that do come there, are carefully chosen. For some odd reason, they seem to like the Brazilians. Go figure!

And who's doing all the producing, if not in the western world? The Muslim countries. Predictions are that some day they'll be 50% of the world population.

And Russia. With 3 times the land of the U.S., they're at 140 million, predicted to all to 80 million by 2050. How on earth are they going to protect such a huge land mass with only 80 million people, many of which will probably be elderly?

The same thing is going to happen in Latin America. Graying, graying.
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Old 01-23-2010, 02:07 AM
 
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There may be a shred of truth to that notion. From what I see in Houston, the families of those living here illegally are larger than the norm. Usually more than two, or three children from what I have witnessed. My church adopts needy families around the holidays and we deliver food and gifts to them during Thanksgiving, and Christmas, this is how I know; I have volunteered for these projects in the past.

In the US, illegal immigrant mothers will get free hospital stays, free births, free pediatric care, and free emergency room visits, free food stamps, and free WIC (milk and cheese). For those who are of school age, they get free education as well. At the extreme, many get free, or subsidized housing as well.

It is much easier for an illegal immigrant to give birth in the US than the country they are from, usually. That is not exclusive to Mexico, however. It could be argued that it is much easier in fact than a mother who is a US citizen. It is fortunate that we, as a nation, are able to do this for people.
Come on how many myths can you perpetuate in one post? How is it "easier" to give birth in another country? And your everything's free is way out of proportion. The renter in a house doesn't pay property tax, but their landlord does and charges for it in rent. Unless they are living on the streets they are contributing to a school cost just like any neighbor of theirs who rents. Unless the people don't eat and don't buy a thing they are contributing sales tax. And most who aren't working from a Home Depot parking lot are getting taxes withheld on their paychecks regardless if they are using a real SS# or not. I am not going to argue they pay what these things might fully cost, but it is definitely not free.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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It takes a lot of money to properly care for children. I hate it when people have more children than they can care for. It seems the higher education, the less children they have. Unfortunately, the people I see that are great parents are the ones that have the fewest. I think people should pay for the children they have and not have to rely on state, charity or government funding. People should be more responsible for what they do and not make others pay!
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I read that the only two countries in Europe who are increasing their fertility rates are the Netherlands and France.

And in France, there's some very expensive babies coming out of those wombs over there. To get women to have more children, they are offered all kinds of incentives to have them, like free day care, income tax breaks, and even free rail tickets for the family.

Any country could become less reliant on immigrants if they did the same, at a great cost to the government.

What are the alternatives?
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