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Old 09-02-2010, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Boston MA, by way of NYC
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Originally Posted by ♥♥PRINC3Ss♥♥ View Post
it must be the nicaraguans that made that word unpopular in Miami. I know most Hispanics know the double meaning

chelsa Manolon is the designated Miami historian. The only problem is that his postS are not 100% accurate as he lives in Spain and what he knows about Miami dates back to the 1950's-1970's.
LOL - Oh - I was wondering why he was dissecting my posts - I never assumed or portrayed that I knew anything about Tango other than my relatives dance it and that it came from somewhere in Argentina LOL. I don't think it is the greatest dance ever so, to me it is neither here nor there. Ask me about bomba and I can tell you.

 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Boston MA, by way of NYC
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Yes, the J-Lo thing bugs me sometimes but I guess that Hispanic actors might complain if they are placed in Hispanic roles only. Many non-hispanics also play Hispanics. I have seen plenty of Italians though that look very stereotypical "latino" though. Maybe J-Lo is carrying it a bit too far, she does look very Boricua to me.
I agree (re the Italians), but she can not ever be confused for an italian girl - she looks 100% Boricuita - most of all she sould like Jenny from the Block - down to her laugh - you can get of the 6 train in the bronx and hear a thousand J'lo's talking LOL - Each borough has its own accent in NY and each neighborhood within does as well - you can tell a brooklynite from a queens native. Manhattan is a little harder only because of all the people that move there from other places.
 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Boston MA, by way of NYC
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it bothered me that some actresses would not play typical latina roles until i heard that it was because they didn't want to be typecast or just stereotyped as a "spicy latina", which i understand can be very irritating. if it's for the purpose of not perpetuating negative gender stereotypes, they have the right to refuse the latina label. sucks, though, that it has to be this way.

i'm always trying to avoid using "cojer" to mean "get" or "to get" something, but sometimes it slips and my in-laws just look at me funny.

only been married a year, so...
I guess I can understand that but I think a better way to negate the stereo type is to play the part as a successful hispanic woman and act it out exactly how they write it. I mean do people who write movies honestly think that hispanics look at all white people and think they are all educated and successful - LOL - that is stereotyping - they should type cast that! Not all hispanics are loud and crazy - although we do know someone in our family who is
 
Old 09-02-2010, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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For whatever it's worth.....before his tragic suicide Freddie Prinze was the star of "Chico and The Man" a 1970's sitcom that depicted life in largely Mexican-American East Los Angeles.

But Freddie Prinze was NOT Mexican or Mexican-American, his mother was Puerto Rican and his father was Hungarian/Jewish.

Also, the memorable theme song of the show was written and performed by the great Jose Feliciano (also of Puerto Rican descent). And Feliciano also did a guest appearance on the show.

Here's a link to the GREAT opening theme for those who care to hear it:

YouTube - Chico and the Man theme

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Old 09-02-2010, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Boston MA, by way of NYC
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For whatever it's worth.....before his tragic suicide Freddie Prinze was the star of "Chico and The Man" a 1970's sitcom that depicted life in largely Mexican-American East Los Angeles.

But Freddie Prinze was NOT Mexican or Mexican-American, his mother was Puerto Rican and his father was Hungarian/Jewish.

Also, the memorable theme song of the show was written and performed by the great Jose Feliciano (also of Puerto Rican descent). And Feliciano also did a guest appearance on the show.

Here's a link to the opening theme for those who care to hear it:

YouTube - Chico and the Man theme
Sad story - but I think him playing the part was just more of the stereo typing that assumes all hispanics looke the same when we all know we don't!
 
Old 09-02-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Sad story - but I think him playing the part was just more of the stereo typing that assumes all hispanics looke the same when we all know we don't!
Wait a second....didn't you say in an earlier post that Lou Diamond Phillips looks Mexican? Isn't is possible to cast someone in a roll that is beyond their ethnicity (or nationalty) without it being a stereotype or offensive?

Lou Diamond Phillips (again part filipino, anglo, and native american) has played Mexican-Americans many times: STAND and DELIVER, LA BAMBA, etc.

Also, Charlton Heston played Moses....(a non-jew playing a jew).

Can we have English actors playing in Irish roles?
 
Old 09-02-2010, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Chealse

Santana is not black, but not a morocho (Argentinean morocho) either.
A morocho is a mestizo, light mestizo, not mulatto or light mulatto.
According to Porteños, they are always from the provinces....sometimes they accuse them of being backwater Sicilians, Moorish Spaniards or Turks (not true).
In Argentina you find very few mulattoes and blacks (they invented Tango), but according to Argentineans they don't exist.
There's an Argentinean myth or standing joke that proclaims that they sent all blacks to Uruguay accompanied by a priest...
Borges used to say that Argentineans are more Europeans that Europeans themselves because when you asked an Argentinean, he always answered that he was European, whereas in Europe people are from Italy, Spain, UK, etc.
It COULD be true about blacks inventing the Tango. It kind of depends on how strict your definition of "black" is but I know there ARE what Americans call "blacks" in Argentina. I've worked with many Argentinians in the oil industry in Houston (they must graduate more geologists and Petr engineers per capita than any country in the world!) and they've almost allways looked like full-blooded Spaniards or Italians. However, I started working with one guy who just looked like your average light-skinned black American and I never said anything but I was curious. He was very dark-olive skinned, had too thin of lips and nose to be pure African but also had very tight curly kinky hair that he wore in a small but wooly Afro.

I didn't ever ask him myself but I was curious just what his background was. Then we had a family event for the job and we met each other's families. My wife is black and I've got a mixed daughter and she looked a lot like the guy's own daughter so we started discussing more personal stuff without me sounding like a busy-body or biggot. He told me, very proudly, that he was from a long and noble line of converted-to-Catholic Moors from a family that were famous military generals and politicians in southern Spain in the old Al-Andalus. He said they were greatly impovershied after the Reconquista and never really recaptured their old wealth and influence even after a couple of hundred years so in the late 1700's immigrated to Argentina. So racially, he isn't mulatto from recent admixture with African slaves (the normal S.American light-skinned black) but more like a Moroccon or Tunisian from North Africa with probably a bit of south-of-the-saharan mixture into the Arab/Berber from way way back (think Anwar Sadat).

I think it's kind of neat how the human species works in obtaining basically the same ethnic "look" superficially but coming at it from very different input products. I probably shouldn't have been so hard the the poster calling Lou Diamond Phillips being the typical Mexican look. She's right that he really does "look" Mexican even though he doesn't have even 1% Mexican blood. I was really surprised myself when I heard him interviewed in person 5 or 6 years ago and he said he was a Filipino-American. I didn't want to make it sound like I was calling you stupid or anything.

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Old 09-03-2010, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Miami.
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Post 1 of Post 3: Hispanics.

2008 Miami Dade Pop: 2,398,245 - Hispanics 1,496,595 62.40 %


http://www.miami-dade.gov/planzone/L...cialGlance.pdf


Post 1 of 3:

22. Brazil 108 00.01 %
21. Paraguay 725 00.05 %
20. Belize 1,186 00.08 %
19. Bolivia 2,334 00.16 %
18. Uruguay 4,865 00.33 %
17. Costa Rica 6,168 00.41 %
16. Panama 7,903 00.53 %
15. Chile 11,565 00.77 %
14. Spain 16,406 01.10 %
13. Guatemala 19,812 01.32 %
12. Ecuador 20,895 01.40 %
11. El Salvador 21,445 01.43 %
10. Argentina 25,793 01.72 %
09. Peru 39,384 02.63 %
08. Santo Domingo 46,047 03.08 %
07. Venezuela 46,595 03.11 %
06. Mexico 46,899 03.13 %
05. Honduras 56,840 03.80 %
04. Puerto Rico 88,367 05.90 %
03. Colombia 101,273 06.77 %
02. Nicaragua 113,383 07.58 %
01. Cuba 791,913 52.91 %

XX. All other Hispanics 26,689 01.78 %

XX. Total Hispanics 1,496,595 62.40 %

Percents % Adjusted Slightly to 100 %

Spaniards 12,532 00.84 %
Spanish 03,758 00.25 %
Spanish Americans 00,116 00.01 %
Sub Totals 16,406 01.10 %

Correct or not from the various sources I have read, Spaniards, Spanish and Spanish Americans are all Spanish born or descendants of Spaniards, so I added them into one category of Spaniards.

20. Belize, Other Central Americans: My guess is they must be Hispanics
from Belize, there is no other Central American Nation left. Or Perhaps
mostly Native Americans who do not identify with any Hispanic Nation.
Yet Perhaps American born Hispanics of Central American descent. I
would like to know your views on this category of Hispanics?

22. Brazi, Other South Americans: My guess is most must be from Brazil
and other non hispanic nations. Or Perhaps mostly Native Americans who
do not identify with any Hispanic Nation. Yet perhaps American born
Hispanics of South American descent, I would like to know your views on
this category of Hispanics?

XX. All other Hispanics: To me this means Hispanics of all of the above
nations. Mostly American born Hispanics who consider themselves more
American than Hispanics. I know some American born Cuban Americans who will say I am American, but my parents are Cuban. Many might not speak spanish. The same for other Hispanic groups. I would like to know your views on this All other Hispanic category? Who could they be? Or from where could they be?

Central Americans. 226,737 15.15 %
South Americans... 253,537 16.94 %

2008 Miami Dade County Pop: 2,398,245

Last edited by Miami Shores; 09-03-2010 at 02:11 AM..
 
Old 09-03-2010, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Miami.
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Post 2 of Post 3:

Detailed Tables - American FactFinder

Post 2 of Post 3:

22. Paraguay 478 00.03 %
21. Belize 2,089 00.14 % - Other Central Americans.
20. Brazil 2,136 00.15 % - Actually other South Americans.
19. Bolivia 2,929 00.20 %
18. uruguay 5,747 00.39 %
17. Costa Rica 6,989 00.47 %
16. Panama 8,613 00.58 %
15. Chile 10,785 00.73 %
14. Spain 15,181 01.03 %
13. El Salvador 17,400 01.18 %
12. Ecuador 18,725 01.27 %
11. Guatemala 21,272 01.44 %
10. Argentina 23,948 01.63 %
09. Peru 36,407 02.49 %
08. Venezuela 41,766 02.84 %
07. Mexico 44,913 03.05 %
06. Santo Domingo 47,746 03.24 %
05. Honduras 51,117 03.47 %
04. Puerto Rico 89,458 06.08 %
03. Colombia 98,969 06.72 %
02. Nicaragua 105,129 07.14 %
01. Cuba 777,486 52.79 %

XX. All Other Hispanics 43,448 02.95 %

XX. Total Hispanics. 1,472,731 61.73 % - 61.72.70 %

Central Americans 212,690 14.44 %

South Americans 241,890 16.43 % (16.4258 %)

XX. Total Miami Dade Pop: 2,385,876

21. Belize, Other Central Americans: My guess is they must be Hispanics
from Belize, there is no other Central American Nation left. Or Perhaps
mostly Native Americans who do not identify with any Hispanic Nation.
Yet Perhaps American born Hispanics of Central American descent. I
would like to know your views on this category of Hispanics?

20. Brazil, Other South Americans: My guess is most must be from Brazil
and other non hispanic nations. Or Perhaps mostly Native Americans who
do not identify with any Hispanic Nation. Yet perhaps American born
Hispanics of South American descent, I would like to know your views on
this category of Hispanics?

XX. All other Hispanics: To me this means Hispanics of all of the above
nations. Mostly American born Hispanics who consider themselves more
American than Hispanics. I know some American born Cuban Americans who will say I am American, but my parents are Cuban. Many might not speak spanish. The same for other Hispanic groups. I would like to know your views on this All other Hispanic category? Who could they be? Or from where could they be from?

Central Americans 212,690 14.44 %

South Americans 241,890 16.43 % (16.4258 %)


Source: U.S. Census Bureau, 2006-2008 American Community Survey.

Last edited by Miami Shores; 09-03-2010 at 02:24 AM..
 
Old 09-03-2010, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Miami.
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Post 3 of Post 3:

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