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Unread 01-25-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Miami/ Washington DC
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I don't see why not Overtown... you've got the river one one side, downtown on the other, hospital to the north and more river to the south. You simply would take all the land in Overtown and turn it into the casino district.

If they can put on in Detroit, they can put one in Overtown!
Because Detroit is doing great!! Model of America

It NEEDS to be by the beach and if not on the beach then Downtown. Those are places people want to go to and stay at. Not Overtown. Are you serious!
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Unread 01-25-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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That's not a bad place to put them, either.

Anything to spur development and better quality for Miami is what I'm after.

Like I said, it just doesn't make any sense to me to put more in an area that already is doing fine as is.
The problem with Overtown is not Overtown, it is the people.

Simply putting a casino or anything there is not going to change the people.

The only thing that may ever result is the pushing out of the current residents, and better ones coming in, this is the story told in many places.

Areas that were once nice are now bad, areas that were once bad are now nice, more often than not it is the former.

But the people, they will be the same, a casino or anything else is not going to change a way of life instilled in people from birth.

Overtown and any other place can be perfectly nice without a casino, park, arena, or any other proposed place, is could be a decent place to live if the people there wanted it to be.
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Unread 01-25-2011, 09:36 PM
 
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Yes, why not, I am all for the free market. If someone wants to build a business, then let them. The market should decide, not commissioners.

No one is forcing anyone to go, don't like them, then don't go.

I do not think it will make MB any better or worst than what it already is.
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Unread 01-25-2011, 10:15 PM
 
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Because Detroit is doing great!! Model of America

It NEEDS to be by the beach and if not on the beach then Downtown. Those are places people want to go to and stay at. Not Overtown. Are you serious!
LOOK at the streets around the MGM. MUCH nicer, cleaner and safer than they used to be.

I'm not saying the city is perfect, but around the development it has got much, MUCH better.

Look at Overtown now... is that a model part of the city? Absolutely not. Why not develop it into something better? If downtown by the bay gets better, downtown west of 95 gets better and people continue to take up residences in between, then the entire city of Miami will flourish more than if it's bordered by a ghetto.

Downtown will take longer to grow if it's surrounded by bad areas and needs to push through on its own to overcome those obstacles. Why do you think the Miami River area has grown much more than say north of the AAA? The MR area borders Brickell. Brickell is a nice place to live. The MR area will grow faster because of it's proximity to the nicest area. It's very simple.

Unless we want to wait for the city to naturally figure all this out, we need a catalyst for growth, expansion and a nicer city via casinos is the way to easily do that.

Areas surrounding MB are already okay areas. Putting casinos in MB won't spur growth in those areas. MB itself is a good area and doesn't need much work. We need to place these casinos where they can do the most good for the area and a down trodden area like Overtown is that place.
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Unread 01-26-2011, 05:06 AM
 
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I remember that back in the 70's there was a great move to install casinos in Miami Beach's Gold Coast. There was a referendum and the proposal failed.

According to some, Casinos would attract mob, etc. Back then, MB was very different, South Miami Beach was inhabited by retired Jews and the main source of income were retirement benefits and German compensation checks in DM, there were also areas inhabited by rich Jews and the classic hotels, some o f which were dilapidated. All those people voted againts Casinos.
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Unread 01-26-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Miami Beach, FL
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Note that the site I propose is hardly the worst part of Overtown, but could serve as a significant job center for the parts further west. There are several high-rise condos, the Federal Courthouse, and new "Transit Village" office complex next to the site, as well as easy access from Metrorail and Metromover. It's not like visitors/tourists would have to navigate through blocks and blocks of ghetto. It's really no worse than going to the Arst Center or parking for a Heat game is now.
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Unread 01-29-2011, 03:30 AM
 
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Nobody is going to build a Casino in that area. If Casinos are ever built, it will be in MB.
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Unread 01-29-2011, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale
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I'd like to see a casino at the site of the old Miami Arena, instead of "grand central park" where gangsters get in free and I have to pay to park: Park proposed for former Miami Arena site in Overtown - Downtown / Brickell / Overtown - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/01/22/2029297/park-proposed-for-arena-site.html - broken link)

Casino sure hasn't been a bad thing for Hallandale Beach!
Hallandale Beach is a municipality that is not Miami Beach municipality first of all. Demographics, etnicity, geographic location, living style makes it way different from Miami Beach and most of all its politicians and leaders don't have the history of corruption and lack of efficiency when comes to govern properly compared with the bunch of liars and thievers that compound the spectrum of the political arena of Miami and Miami Beach and the whole county. Is very sad to see what Miami Beach was in the early 1990's and what is now. I do not think that a casino will be the right solution. The Principaute of Monaco in Europe has its Great Casino for almost 140 years in the area of Montecarlo and Monaco is considered nowadays the most safe spot in planet Earth and one of the highest income percapita in the World. It is just about the mentality and true cultural values of Monaco's population what makes them to live with high standards. Is that possible for Miami Beach with a Casino? Simply NO.
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Unread 01-29-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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the hustler casino in gardena, california in an area that was previously a ghetto started a gentrification process but thats because the city government made good use of the money.
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Unread 01-29-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Up North
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Miami Beach needs big time Las Vegas style casinos to stay relevant .. it has become a nasty hip hop and gangsta style attraction after having been an awesome European style , high fashion chic , play ground in the late 80's and early 90's .. it cannot get any worse with low lifes and organized crime .. so why not do the casinos and create jobs ???
Agreed.
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