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Unread 12-06-2011, 02:55 AM
 
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you were doing so well... this is not like tv where there are commercials. finish your thought cause im interested to see where you take it.

p.s. you write well...
The original post raised many topics .

Regarding the economic influence no one will diminish the erosion created by the financial decline of 08 (Bear Sterns, Lehman, etc) , the housing crisis and forclosure rate , major automotive (GM) and insurance (AIG) bailouts just to name a few issues. Add to the mix the global (Greece, Italy, Spain) financial crisis . I don't how anyone would not think that residual effects remain part of the economy .. especialy in a tourist city like Miami.
Add tp the mix the political stalemate of the debt ceiling and the S and P downgrade .

So what !!!
Everyone went though this above .

NONE of this is the main problem with Miami being so different with regard to personal income ,quality of living, attitude .. than any other place !!!

The reasons why Miami struggles are much deeper yet any opinion (including mine) is merely anecdotal observation and writing a list of negatives will not solve the problems. So i won't.

Miami is a city that developed rapidly enough with a diverse enough group to create its own growth obstacles . many will point to other cities are are also struggling (some even worse) , yet that's just a deflection which reveals a weak argument . How about pointimg to cities which buck the trend ? How about those cities ? Home depreciation ? How about Silicon Valley prices going up in this economy ? Financial freefall ? How about the resillience of DOW climbing to over 12K (from under 7K in early 08) as earnings quarters have shown growth . How about the postives ?

Miami needs to work on developing a level of professionaism which is consistent with and assimilates other parts of the country.. particularly those which are doing better ....and that's just not happening.

In my opinion ..
it begins with self respect.. and that's very different than entitlement .
it begins with accountablity .. both personal and professional .
it begins with originality .. not just asking the next guy or hearing it on TV .. (to just agree on a homogenized viewpoint rather than thinking !!! )
it begins with caring .. not just for "I. I. I. and me, me. me"
it begins with valuing what one has .. rather than what he doesn't.. or what he wishes to have .

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Unread 12-06-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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The original post raised many topics .

Regarding the economic influence no one will diminish the erosion created by the financial decline of 08 (Bear Sterns, Lehman, etc) , the housing crisis and forclosure rate , major automotive (GM) and insurance (AIG) bailouts just to name a few issues. Add to the mix the global (Greece, Italy, Spain) financial crisis . I don't how anyone would not think that residual effects remain part of the economy .. especialy in a tourist city like Miami.
Add tp the mix the political stalemate of the debt ceiling and the S and P downgrade .

So what !!!
Everyone went though this above .

NONE of this is the main problem with Miami being so different with regard to personal income ,quality of living, attitude .. than any other place !!!

The reasons why Miami struggles are much deeper yet any opinion (including mine) is merely anecdotal observation and writing a list of negatives will not solve the problems. So i won't.

Miami is a city that developed rapidly enough with a diverse enough group to create its own growth obstacles . many will point to other cities are are also struggling (some even worse) , yet that's just a deflection which reveals a weak argument . How about pointimg to cities which buck the trend ? How about those cities ? Home depreciation ? How about Silicon Valley prices going up in this economy ? Financial freefall ? How about the resillience of DOW climbing to over 12K (from under 7K in early 08) as earnings quarters have shown growth . How about the postives ?

Miami needs to work on developing a level of professionaism which is consistent with and assimilates other parts of the country.. particularly those which are doing better ....and that's just not happening.

In my opinion ..
it begins with self respect.. and that's very different than entitlement .
it begins with accountablity .. both personal and professional .
it begins with originality .. not just asking the next guy or hearing it on TV .. (to just agree on a homogenized viewpoint rather than thinking !!! )
it begins with caring .. not just for "I. I. I. and me, me. me"
it begins with valuing what one has .. rather than what he doesn't.. or what he wishes to have .
Seriously, you write well and I am and sure as others are glad to have you on site. You bring a different view to the table which is interesting. Welcome aboard and may your City Data forum battles play out with fair value...
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Unread 12-06-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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Seriously, you write well and I am and sure as others are glad to have you on site. You bring a different view to the table which is interesting. Welcome aboard and may your City Data forum battles play out with fair value...

I found this forum by accident yet read a few posts that led me to think that there are others who would also like to see Miami grow and flourish . While reading the thread "gone but not forgotten " brought up a lot of fond memorires . Gone But Not Forgotten In Miami

Fast forward to present -
1) Miami can not run business like a banana republic without expecting the rest of the country to view it favorably .

2) No mattter how much athletic talent, lavish stadiums , and beautiful hotels are built to encourage tourism .. a tourist has to feel comfortable and safe driving on the roads. walking on the streets , and when purchasing goods from local business . otherwise they wont come here .

3) A sense of community means that a neighbor ought not have to hear loud music at all hours , cars parked all over the street, or a barking dog at 3AM . Why spend so much money to beautify the exterior of a home to grunt at the neighbors when they say hello ?

4) Education ought to be valued and not viewed as some type of giant day care service .

5) Once upon a time a drivers test was actually a real exam . the roads were safe and when citations were written a driver faced penalties . driving was fun and the roads were safe . For those who, like fast driving there are many race tracks and driving events on the appropriate roads but even the track has rules !!!!

6) People need to think for themselves and stop blaiming the leaders . iIt's those same people who elect the same redundant politicians over and over (who in many cases spend more time arguing with each other as well ). When politicians argue it creates an air of uncertainty and it does not help the city grow.

I can think of more .. but i lack the time at this moment to jot them down .
Miami does have a lot of potential .. but i do feel that growth begins at the individual level .
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Unread 12-06-2011, 04:08 PM
 
Location: West Kendall
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Most tourists come to Miami to experience the exotic action they see on tv... a tropical paradise filled with crime, hot models, pornography, corruption and Lamborghinis... That's how Miami sells itself. There are tourists that are obsesessed with slum tourism as well.
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Unread 12-06-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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Most tourists come to Miami to experience the exotic action they see on tv... a tropical paradise filled with crime, hot models, pornography, corruption and Lamborghinis... That's how Miami sells itself. There are tourists that are obsesessed with slum tourism as well.
This fraction of tourism is not enough to sustain the economy of an entire city . Who shops at publix ? It's not the tourists . Who banks here or has their mortgage ? It's not the tourists . Who buys the slice of pizza in Kendall ? It's not the tourists . Or home Depot ? Heck , even many of the malls are located in areas where the majority of shoppers are not the tourists .

The unfortunate observation is that people in this region seem to accept and even feel comfortable with LESS . They can always pile up at a relatives home and the truth is that this mentality slows local business . Part of the problem is the work force because as a boss dishes out a pay cut the employee might bring his lunch from home instead of buying that slice of pizza . And thoe boss can dish out the pay cut because if the employee lacks skill, or quality customer service, or education, or class .. them he is easily replaceble .

To your example --

I won't dismiss the revenue generated out of the Hollywood image that many see in movies or TV but underneath that image are all the other professions and services . Beyond the beach and nighlife-- the housing, education, medical , legal. political, and entrepreneurial establishments require support and if the community lacks education or professionalism .. then even the tourists will notice . In fact if one looks back to 2008 in the tougher times of the soft economy tourism was down.

One other point .. even hotels want paying guests who respect their property . Back in the 1980's Ft Lauderdale did not hesitate to cancel spring break and currently Miami officials wrestle with continuing urban weekend . No city welcomes this type of disruption . In fact the added cost to maintain public safety detracts from the profit .

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Unread 12-06-2011, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Just a note, the guy from greece is probably talking about a plan thrown out to build a casino in place of the miami beach convention center.

Of course the one we're all talking about is in downtown miami..
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Unread 12-06-2011, 11:33 PM
 
Location: West Kendall
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I was actually commenting on your point#2
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Unread 12-08-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Yes I know the old story, Miami is paradise, the wealthy south Americans all want to be here, blah, blah blah. Yet facts show that workers here compete for increasingly low paying jobs that do not allow discretionary spending. All new real estate development is scaled for higher income people, and foolish investors keep on building. Major employers have all but failed, leaving government as the biggest employers in the area. Detroit was once a bustling city with many wealthy areas. Is Miami on the same path? How will Miami survive the coming financial collapse of the US?
No chance will Miami be the next Detroit. Miami has its challenges but becoming the next Detroit is simply not in the cards.

The population figures for both cities over the past 60 years:

Detroit:
1950: 1,8449,000
1980: 1,203,000
2000: 951,270
2010: 713,777

Miami:
1950: 249,276
1980: 346,865
2000: 362,470
2010: 399,457

Those are DEVASTATING figures for Detroit.
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Unread 12-08-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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The Beacon Council just released "One Community, One Goal: A Targested Industry Study for Miami-Dade County"...see Miami Herald story with a link to the full report.

In the economic race, Miami-Dade at back of pack - Business - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/07/v-fullstory/2536212/study-miami-dade-lacks-a-competitive.html - broken link)

Some key highlights of the report:

Strenghts
1. Intertational trade and strong ties to a growing Latin American economy
2. Well developed shipping and distribution infrastructure
3. High concentration of college students

Weakenesses:
1. High unemployment & low wage employment
2. Trouble retaining college graduates / talent retention
3. Low level of educational attainment among the adult population

Opportunities:
1. Retaining college graduates by growing & diversifying the employment base
2. Increasing graduation rates for college students
3. Better levaraging the international skills and connections of the foreign born population
4. Pending Brazil Visa waiver
5. Economic diversification (more high tech, etc)
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Unread 12-08-2011, 11:36 PM
 
Location: My Own Private Island
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Miami is a phenomenon.

Where else do you see 10 million plus people ( include all of Dade County ), mostly 1st generation immigrants ( 50% are illegal ) controlling and dominating such a vast area, not theirs?

Imagine the city of Rio de Janeiro, all Americans, all speaking English, and pushing our culture, American culture on them ( the Cariocas ) ... ? You know what ... ? That would NEVER happen, because Brasilians would NEVER allow it to happen. They would ram and pillage the American neighborhoods, and kill us all.

But ... we Americans have allowed Miami to be a vast Latin country, almost like a huge Havana, but located in the good ol' USA.

I think it's very sad that we let Miami become another country, another culture.

Fyi: I'm almost 50 years old, 100% Floridian, with 16 years traveling to South America. I am fluent in Portuguese and Espanol.

Peace

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