Miami does have a tropical climate. (Jacksonville, Tampa: how much, college, rated)
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^ Funny how South Florida (when zoomed in) IS highlighted there.
I like how you can't present any data, either, gives even more credibility to your ignorance.
Read this example they use, demonstrating exactly what I am saying
Quote via wikipedia
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Beach in Naples, Florida lined with coconut trees is an example of a tropical climate. Although it lies in the subtropics over a hundred miles north of the tropic of cancer, the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico give it a monthly mean temperature never under 18 °C (64 °F), classifying its climate as tropical."
Rick and now Chelito just do not understand what climate is. This has been discussed for years now and for some reason Rick can't get science into his head. No one here is saying Miami is IN the tropics but according to SCIENCE, MATH REAL FACTS!!!!! Miami has a tropical climate.
The climate has to stop and change somewhere Miami is that place. As long as the math adds up Miami, the Everglades, Naples and the keys are tropical. It's a MATH equation guys NOT physical location. Rick your artic example could not be anymore wrong. Someone could not say they live in the artic but if the math works they can say they live in an artic CLIMATE. You just fail to understand what climate is. We have explained it to you many times, I have a degree in geography I know what I am talking about. So until you come with with facts about Miami's CLIMATE, NOT LOCATION, you are just wrong and you fail to realize this which makes you ignorant of the real facts.
So continue to go on here and wine about Miami not being tropical, just makes you look a bit foolish.
Also you keep telling us to lookup these people who I never even heard of. The people talking about actual climate are citing the system used by almost all scientist etc... And the system which was created by the most famous climatetolgist in history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wladimir_Köppen hmmm, who so I trust Jack Fisher or some guy that has lived in two places or the most famous and influential climatetolgist in history? Hard decision....
I know the tropical "deniers" might not read this but here you go. You see the world GEOGRAPHICAL ZONES it does not say Climate zones. You fail to understand the difference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_zone
So here are the facts. If you want to have a human conversation and not just wining with a bunch of no your wrongs please give me your facts saying Miami is not a tropical climate. It's funny how the climate map in the geogrphic zone pages shows Miami as a tropical climate.
^ Funny how South Florida (when zoomed in) IS highlighted there.
I like how you can't present any data, either, gives even more credibility to your ignorance.
Read this example they use, demonstrating exactly what I am saying
Quote via wikipedia
"
Beach in Naples, Florida lined with coconut trees is an example of a tropical climate. Although it lies in the subtropics over a hundred miles north of the tropic of cancer, the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico give it a monthly mean temperature never under 18 °C (64 °F), classifying its climate as tropical."
Your logic is completely wrong. BOTH Los Angeles and Mediterranean are in the TEMPERATE ZONE and BOTH are around 35 to 40 degrees N THEREFORE BOTH have similar climate. These two places are particularly mild- more so than the rest of the temperate zone.
However, Miami is NOT in the tropical zone. Manaus IS. You are comparing places IN THE TROPICAL ZONE to Miami - WHICH IS NOT in the tropical zone.
it does not matter how "nice" Washinton D.C. or Miami get in the summer- THEY ARE NOT AND NEVER BE THE TROPICS, NOR WILL THEY HAVE A TROPICAL CLIMATE
Wikipedia is not valid.
Miami is classified AND recognized BY SCIENTISTS AND WORLD RENOWNED HORTICULTURALISTS - THE CONSENSUS - as SUBtrtopical. Which is a TRANSITIONAL area.
STray articles that are OUTDATED and do not go into extreme detail are not valid.
Miami CANNOT grow extremely delicate Amazon Palms NOR breadfruit
ALL TRLULY TROPICAL PLACES AT SEA LEVEL CAN SUCH AS COSTA RICA.
Traveling to the TEMPERATE ZONE state of Washington , setting up residence on Mt Ranier and calling it the ARCTIC climate IS WRONG. it is NOT. Even though it is COLD it is NOT the Arctic
The Arctic is colder, consistently colder AND HAS WEAKER SUN INTENSITY AT ITS LATITUDE. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
GOOGLE MIAMI IS SUBTROPICAL AND YOU WILL FIND MANY, MANY MORE sources than those who FALSELY cliam it is tropical
It is WELL KNOWN that Miami is NOT tropical.
Last edited by RickSantos; 04-29-2012 at 03:40 PM..
You are correct. But it is a mute point, people don't understand or even care about the subtlties unless they are interested in climatology, botany, etc. It really isn't worth arguing about. A lot of people call Miami "tropical" because they are from areas with much colder climates and they do not distinguish the differences between Miami and a place like Panama City, especially because our weather is similar most of the year. But interestingly, according to the map that calls Miami tropical, West Palm Beach is subtropical and Miami is Tropical. I think most people would agree that both cities are virtually the same...hence the transition zone. Miami is a city on the suth border of the subtropical region. If people want to call it tropical that is fine, it doesn't change their perception or any of the facts.
You're right Chelito. I guess we cannot convince believers of anything as carl Sagan said. Even the most well presented argument cannot switch a believer's mind.
Your logic is completely wrong. BOTH Los Angeles and Mediterranean are in the TEMPERATE ZONE and BOTH are around 35 to 40 degrees N THEREFORE BOTH have similar climate. These two places are particularly mild- more so than the rest of the temperate zone.
However, Miami is NOT in the tropical zone. Manaus IS. You are comparing places IN THE TROPICAL ZONE to Miami - WHICH IS NOT in the tropical zone.
it does not matter how "nice" Washinton D.C. or Miami get in the summer- THEY ARE NOT AND NEVER BE THE TROPICS, NOR WILL THEY HAVE A TROPICAL CLIMATE
Wikipedia is not valid.
Miami is classified AND recognized BY SCIENTISTS AND WORLD RENOWNED HORTICULTURALISTS - THE CONSENSUS - as SUBtrtopical. Which is a TRANSITIONAL area.
STray articles that are OUTDATED and do not go into extreme detail are not valid.
Miami CANNOT grow extremely delicate Amazon Palms NOR breadfruit
ALL TRLULY TROPICAL PLACES AT SEA LEVEL CAN SUCH AS COSTA RICA.
Traveling to the TEMPERATE ZONE state of Washington , setting up residence on Mt Ranier and calling it the ARCTIC climate IS WRONG. it is NOT. Even though it is COLD it is NOT the Arctic
The Arctic is colder, consistently colder AND HAS WEAKER SUN INTENSITY AT ITS LATITUDE. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
GOOGLE MIAMI IS SUBTROPICAL AND YOU WILL FIND MANY, MANY MORE sources than those who FALSELY cliam it is tropical
It is WELL KNOWN that Miami is NOT tropical.
You continue to not give us any facts not one. I have given you through the years maps and cites of ALL types. You just give use names of people with no recognitionand your own opinions. My degree alone makes everything I say far more valid and credible. Until you start giving us cites no one can even take your argument seriously.
I see ou have gone into older threads of yours and even created a new one fishing for people to say Miami is tropical. You have fun with that, I have a life to get to. Good day.
Hopefully I can resist the urge to correct you for now on. But I can't make any promises.
I have seen Durian trees growing in Dade county and only other place I saw them was SE Asia. Not a claim on any side of arguments, just something I saw.
Rick Santos only shows up when talking about Miami not being a tropical climate. Miami IS a tropical climate Ricky. It's all about temperature averages, not record lows/highs. Koppen's classification has Miami qualified as a TROPICAL MONSOON climate bordering the tropical rainforest climate in Fort Lauderdale.
Everything about Miami screams tropical. The water, coconut palms, the nice breeze, the latin feel. Miami can grow mangosteen, breadfruit and durian. Heck, Miami can grow lipstick palms. Brickell, and Virginia Key area (within Miami city limits) have a plant hardiness zone of 11A that can accommodate for those types of vegetation.
Not only that, Miami is the place in the continental U.S that you will most likely hear tropical music.
Miami may not have a "true" tropical climate. But It's more than just sub-tropical. Because Miami's climate and tropical vegetation growth ability is far different from Charlotte, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, NO, DC, Jacksonville, Baton Rouge, Charleston, Savannah, Orlando, Tallahassee, Birmingham, Mobile, Montgomery, Raleigh, Durham, Memphis, Nashville, Louisville, Richmond, VA Beach, Columbia, Shreveport.
You continue to not give us any facts not one. I have given you through the years maps and cites of ALL types. You just give use names of people with no recognitionand your own opinions. My degree alone makes everything I say far more valid and credible. Until you start giving us cites no one can even take your argument seriously.
I see ou have gone into older threads of yours and even created a new one fishing for people to say Miami is tropical. You have fun with that, I have a life to get to. Good day.
Hopefully I can resist the urge to correct you for now on. But I can't make any promises.
RESEARCH this. Miami is ONMLY SUBtropical, nothing more. You have obscure outdated sources that GENERALLY proclaim Miami to be tropical. The oNLY reason for this is because it is obviously different than the REST of the continental US. HOWEVER , the fcat it is diofferent does NOT mean it is tropical or the equal to other truly tropical places.
I think if you comapre Miami to equidistant nearby cities on the other side of the Tropic of Cancer, let's say Cancun and Jacksonville, you can understand why Miami isn't tropical. It is tropical adjacent, tropical light, subtropical WINTERS, whatever kind of name you want to call it, but not truely tropical like the later.
Cancun NEVER gets as cold as Miami in the winter. Their AVERAGE low temperatures are warmer in January. Conversely, Jacksonville is colder than Miami on average in the winter, regarding low temperatures on average.
In these different cities, from north to south, you can clearly see the transition. Jacksonville sees frost frequently throughout the winter, even though it essentially doesn't snow. The native vegetation does not look tropical, just hints of it with some saw palmetto palms.
Now Miami, where temperatures EVERY WINTER, have nights in the 30s and frosts in far west areas, is transition from a subtropical to tropical area. Some years have more pronounced cold snaps than others. Tropical trees burn back due to the cold when this happen, but they recover because the cold snaps are short lived. The native vegetation takes on a mixed look of tropical and northern.
In Cancun, cold fronts blow through, but lows are NEVER in the 30s in even the coldest weather in any given winter. The tropical vegetation doesn't ever freeze back. Frost does not ocurr. Native vegetation is totally tropical.
These are examples of the transition zone. Miami just happens to be in the middle of the transition zone. It has aspects of both zones. But to call Miami Tropical is not accuarte, it ignores the other huge aspects that affects the landscape of the area. Calling it just subtropical doesn't give an accurate picture since it covers so much as other posters pointed out, but Miami would fall into that definition since it is clearly a transition zone.
No reasonable person would say the weather or native vegetation in these sample cities are the same, and that is a result of a varying climate. Which of these two cities are more similar to Miami in climate and vegetation is a question with an answer that will depend on where YOU come from and what YOU choose to see based on your life experience. Miami is a true trnsition zone between subtropical and tropical, and btw, subtropical is a transition zone of it's own. So why get so worked up about this? Some people are overly worried that this will somehow affect Miami in a negative light...sigh. It is science, get over it. Miami is not truelly tropical, it is close though. That doesn't detract from the city, it's potential or how you feel about it. We are talking technichalities here....and none of this changes anything....
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