Miami Times Square (middle-class, apartment, loft)
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My big beef with a lot of these project is, Miami is trying to build out the periphery of downtown, yet the heart of downtown still looks like a 90 yr old man with cancer. When i can drive by a street at 1 am and see a army of homeless sleeping on streets and irrelevant old time mom and pop shops, that's a problem. Invest in building up the core of downtown first. They need a anchor store in downtown, to attract bigger stores. Also, why doesn't downtown Miami have one of those neighborhood supermarkets like we have all over NYC. They are very nice, and give you a sense of community. They have one in edgewater, (can't remember the street) and it is one of the coolest supermarkets I have seen in South Florida. Made me home sick when I saw it (I am from NYC originally).
What happened to the plans to sort out Flagler street <--this is a PDF folks, and yes its safe. Its from City of Miami Chamber of Commerce I believe? It still looks like downtown Brooklyn in the 70s and no, that's not a good thing.
Miami is one of the few cities I have visited outside of Detroit to actual De-advance. Did you guy sever see how extensive their Miami trolly System used to be? It was probably quadruple what we have today, in our fair city. check this out link
In short, yeah building a area with huge shiny billboards, that look like something off the strip in Reno Nevada is cute, but we have bigger things to sort out. To the person who asked about how time square looks. Well, in the 70s and 80s it looked like a scum bags paradise. Replete with homeless, prostitutes and gangs. Now it looks like Disney land. Not sure which I like better :S
My big beef with a lot of these project is, Miami is trying to build out the periphery of downtown, yet the heart of downtown still looks like a 90 yr old man with cancer. When i can drive by a street at 1 am and see a army of homeless sleeping on streets and irrelevant old time mom and pop shops, that's a problem. Invest in building up the core of downtown first. They need a anchor store in downtown, to attract bigger stores. Also, why doesn't downtown Miami have one of those neighborhood supermarkets like we have all over NYC. They are very nice, and give you a sense of community. They have one in edgewater, (can't remember the street) and it is one of the coolest supermarkets I have seen in South Florida. Made me home sick when I saw it (I am from NYC originally).
I think that's a stretch. The outer limits of Downtown are still far worse off than the core, say around Flagler.
There already is a Macy's and La Epoca there. The problem is not anchor stores, the problem is pedestrian activity after hours. There are hubs of activity like Bayside and MBV, but that has not spilled over to the streets (well, Brickell is doing better than Downtown.) I think now that there are actual residents Downtown the streets will start turning around.
Brickell is kind of nice, if a bit empty (there are a few things that are nice, but it still has a way to go). I was disappointed by Flager the first time I saw it (how many Cash For Gold places does a downtown need?), but I do like the retail density. All they need is to clean it up a bit and perhaps attract some nicer businesses. The area has a lot of potential.
I think that's a stretch. The outer limits of Downtown are still far worse off than the core, say around Flagler.
There already is a Macy's and La Epoca there. The problem is not anchor stores, the problem is pedestrian activity after hours. There are hubs of activity like Bayside and MBV, but that has not spilled over to the streets (well, Brickell is doing better than Downtown.) I think now that there are actual residents Downtown the streets will start turning around.
You think it is a stretch? Have you actually been downtown Miami at night, or do you actually live there? I am in that area VERY often and I assure you, from NW 2nd Avenue and SW 3rd Street to SE 3rd and SW 2nd and north to about 8th street you can find homeless on ANY one of those streets, sleeping at night, so I am not sure what you are talking about? Also the encampment under 95 headed toward lummus park around NW 2nd street is nothing to sneeze at either. There is also a VERY large encampment around 6th avenue or so. The condos are on the east and north east side of downtown and outside of those areas you are not going to get much foot traffic at all, and why should you? There are very few if any condos or apartments in that area. Also, they should build a neighborhood grocery store like the ones we have in NYC. There is a amazing neighborhood grocery store in edgewater, they should build one like that downtown Miami. Also build some condos and apartments on the west side for God sakes. throw a bodega over there too, like the Arab one on the east side of downtown (i forget what street that's on).
as for more people living downtown, ummm what? Do you actually live downtown or have been there? It is not different today than it was five years ago. Here is a quote from a article that highlights my point:
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In many markets, especially large population centers, Multiple Listing Services are in close proximity, sometimes overlapping one another. As an example, the three south Florida counties of Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach have five MLS's. It's fairly common for Realtors to list residences for sale on all MLS's nearby. The house is listed twice or more, and when sold, is counted as a sale twice -- or more -- inflating the total sales number.
Brickell and downtown Miami is just as dark at night today as it was last year, the year before that and the year before that. If they were smart, they would start turning on lights at night, at least make us think someone is in those empty condos. The NAR (National Realtor Association) are liar, always have been and always will be. Unless they hire a trust worthy independent company to track sales, I wouldn't believe a thing them or the people they sponsor i.e. newspapers say about home sales and the health of the housing market.
As for Macy's and La Epoca, THINK about what you are saying. You are comparing department stores that close at 9pm to Bayside that is open fairly late. a Apple Store downtown would be good, and make it in the fashion of the one in Soho (in Manhattan) where artist come and perform and it stays open late etc. Or some other nice venue and make it away from the east side. put it on the west side, maybe on flagler some where but further west. Start trying to build the place out.
Brickell is kind of nice, if a bit empty (there are a few things that are nice, but it still has a way to go). I was disappointed by Flager the first time I saw it (how many Cash For Gold places does a downtown need?), but I do like the retail density. All they need is to clean it up a bit and perhaps attract some nicer businesses. The area has a lot of potential.
And that is EXACTLY my point, it has potential but has a long way to go. it would be much smarter for them to focus on building up the downtown as it is the core of the city instead of focusing on trying to recreate Midtown manhattan on some outlier area.
You think it is a stretch? Have you actually been downtown Miami at night, or do you actually live there? I am in that area VERY often and I assure you, from NW 2nd Avenue and SW 3rd Street to SE 3rd and SW 2nd and north to about 8th street you can find homeless on ANY one of those streets, sleeping at night, so I am not sure what you are talking about? Also the encampment under 95 headed toward lummus park around NW 2nd street is nothing to sneeze at either. There is also a VERY large encampment around 6th avenue or so. The condos are on the east and north east side of downtown and outside of those areas you are not going to get much foot traffic at all, and why should you? There are very few if any condos or apartments in that area. Also, they should build a neighborhood grocery store like the ones we have in NYC. There is a amazing neighborhood grocery store in edgewater, they should build one like that downtown Miami. Also build some condos and apartments on the west side for God sakes. throw a bodega over there too, like the Arab one on the east side of downtown (i forget what street that's on).
as for more people living downtown, ummm what? Do you actually live downtown or have been there? It is not different today than it was five years ago. Here is a quote from a article that highlights my point:
Brickell and downtown Miami is just as dark at night today as it was last year, the year before that and the year before that. If they were smart, they would start turning on lights at night, at least make us think someone is in those empty condos. The NAR (National Realtor Association) are liar, always have been and always will be. Unless they hire a trust worthy independent company to track sales, I wouldn't believe a thing them or the people they sponsor i.e. newspapers say about home sales and the health of the housing market.
As for Macy's and La Epoca, THINK about what you are saying. You are comparing department stores that close at 9pm to Bayside that is open fairly late. a Apple Store downtown would be good, and make it in the fashion of the one in Soho (in Manhattan) where artist come and perform and it stays open late etc. Or some other nice venue and make it away from the east side. put it on the west side, maybe on flagler some where but further west. Start trying to build the place out.
I don't know what you're going off about. I made NO MENTION of the homeless problem Downtown. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
I agree, there is a homelessness problem in Miami, especially Downtown. I'll even give up a better place to see the vast number of homeless people Downtown- head over to NE 9th, 10th or 11th Streets at night and you will see literally hundreds.
My point is that the outer limits of Downtown are NOT being built up with different projects like you claimed in post #13.
I'm not sure, and this is not to sound rude, you have a good grasp of what's actually going on Downtown.
You're saying Downtown needs big anchors- I pointed out two, but now you're saying those are no good because they close at 9 PM. I hate to break it to you but most retail closes at 9 PM regardless of what city it is.
As I said, the problem is pedestrian activity after work hours. It has been a problem Downtown for years and is continuing to be the problem. With the new residences that have popped up in the last few years and their occupancy continuing to grow it spells good news for the future of Downtown development. Businesses will continue to come Downtown but as you know, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Another thing- I think closing Flagler to traffic and making it like Lincoln Road would be one of the best and easiest things to really designate a lively Downtown core. Putting a large pedestrian bridge that goes from Bayfront Park over Biscayne and Metromover and connects to Flagler (put a large archway of sorts to designate people are going into something special and unique) would also help pedestrians travel the street. Bayfront could be home to nightly, free entertainment. I'm sure there are various groups that would love to get the exposure of playing Downtown. I think in doing something like this you would attract more tourist out of their hotels as well as Bayside and get them onto Flagler. Once you've done that things should organically grow from there.
More people, tourist, residents = more life. More life = more business. More business = better Downtown.
And that is EXACTLY my point, it has potential but has a long way to go. it would be much smarter fonhattan on some outlir them to focus on building up the downtown as it is the core of the city instead of focusing on trying to recreate Midtown maer area.
You need to do your research better before making comments as they have been trying to build the downtown up as a lot of the projects were cancelled, some were even halted(Logik) in the middle of construction in the Park West area and Crosswinds was one project that was cancelled because of the poor fear of being gentrified. Just go to Skyscrapercity or Skyscraperpage for verification. There are still a prodigious amount of construction where the Miami Herald site(Genting),but that won't be until another two years because of contractual agreement.
You need to do your research better before making comments as they have been trying to build the downtown up as a lot of the projects were cancelled, some were even halted(Logik) in the middle of construction in the Park West area and Crosswinds was one project that was cancelled because of the poor fear of being gentrified. Just go to Skyscrapercity or Skyscraperpage for verification. There are still a prodigious amount of construction where the Miami Herald site(Genting),but that won't be until another two years because of contractual agreement.
Park west is the WEST side of downtown, Crosswinds project is the north/north east section of downtown. My question to you then becomes, what does that have to do with the price of rice in china, given the locations I discussed in my previous statements? So instead of lecturing me on what I need to do, take your time and read next time, and then try and comprehend.
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I hate to break it to you but most retail closes at 9 PM regardless of what city it is. 
