Hispanics and "Whites" (Miami: shop, racist, rated)

[seixal]

Originally Posted by karstic

Hispania was once a nation. Hispania included the entire peninsula during the last 3000 years.

Hispania went from a Roman province to a Nation with capital in Toledo during the Visigothic rule.

Brazil was also Spanish during 90 years.

Really, you should tinker with the history of Brazil for yourself and croonies. If you want to state that you came from Mars or that Cleopatra was Brazilian you can set up your own web page.

Americans don't know much except tacos and quesadillas, so if you insist many will state that you are a taco with feijoada.

As to Brazilians that denied being Hispanic, Argentina is your neighbour and they have plenty of unemployed shrinks.

I don't know why you keep insisting on Brazil but whatever, I'm not Brazilian.

Again Vizigothic kingdom was not a nation as we understand it now, not more than it was under the Moorish rule. Plus those kingdoms and the new world had no idea of each other's exitence I don't know how they can possibly be related. Still, the Hispanic part of the new world is called Hispanic because it was discovered by Spain, not Roman Hispania, not the Visigoths. I understand your perspective on history take a lot of short cuts and is very agrandissement complex driven, where the people you identify to ruled it all. Hispanic an an ethnicity is an American concept, it is by no means something universal.

[karstic]

Visigothic Hispania, a kingdom that lasted 300 years. Hispania and Hispanic was used by kings such as Charles V, Phillip II..among ther things because at that time Portugal was part of Castile.
Portugal was an offshot of Leon, as Castile.

Hispanoamerica or Iberoamerica were also concepts that included Brazil.

Later, the French invented "Latin America" for political reasons. Napoleon III.

Don't pay attention to American concepts, they are obsessed with Mexicans, they only see Mexicans. Brazilians are Mexicans that dance Samba.

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by karstic

Visigothic Hispania, a kingdom that lasted 300 years. Hispania and Hispanic was used by kings such as Charles V, Phillip II..among ther things because at that time Portugal was part of Castile.
Portugal was an offshot of Leon, as Castile.

Hispanoamerica or Iberoamerica were also concepts that included Brazil.

Later, the French invented "Latin America" for political reasons. Napoleon III.

Don't pay attention to American concepts, they are obsessed with Mexicans, they only see Mexicans. Brazilians are Mexicans that dance Samba.

I speak Spanish and I have been asked at work to translate for Brazilians several times. I told my coworekr well I don't speak Portuguese and the answer was "its just like Spanish"... Luckily the people spoke Spanish OK and knew some English so we were able to muddle through.

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by seixal

People are really confused. Again, Hispania was a province of the Roman empire that collapsed in about the 6th century, it was never a nationality as we understand it now. Hispania is not Portugal+Spain because these are modern states that didn't exist at that time, it would be like saying that the USA and native tribes are the same entity. The confusion arises because upon becoming a unified country modern spain took its name after Hispania, "Hispania", "Spain", sounds similar right? As you know spain conquered what is now a big chunk of the Americas. Therefore when people use the concept of "hispanic" they intend it as spanish-speaker, or spain-like, not the ancient roman province, that would be an anachronism. Why not calling African AMerican "Anglos" then?
Plus Portuguese and Brazilian people take offense at being called hispanic.

I am not confused at all. I know when the Roman Empire collapsed, the etymology of the name Spain and the development of the modern nation states of Portugal and Spain and the reconquista.

I am not denying the current American concept of "Hispanic" meaning Spanish Speaking; before the 1970s many people in the US would have used "Spanish" to describe anyone from Latin America, much to the consternation of people from Spain itself. I am just saying in my mind Hispanic should/could include Brazilians

[seixal]

Originally Posted by karstic

Visigothic Hispania, a kingdom that lasted 300 years. Hispania and Hispanic was used by kings such as Charles V, Phillip II..among ther things because at that time Portugal was part of Castile.
Portugal was an offshot of Leon, as Castile.

What are you trying to say there?

[lokpikr999]

Just thought I'd throw this in here

Perez was a member of the White Citizens Council and an organizer of the white supremacist Citizens Council of Greater New Orleans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leander_Perez

[deboinair]

Originally Posted by lokpikr999

No white is Caucasoid(Regardless of ethnicity or nationality)and the opinions of ignorant people do not trump anthropological realities(Yes race is a objective and is not relative to the society one is living in).Also prior to this Hispanic/Latino B.S coming on the scene,no average American would've thought of someone as not being white simply because they were of Latin American descent.

No matter how you spin it. In America. White people like David Smith don't accept Juan Suarez from Spain as white like them.

[karstic]

That would be like an Asian whose great-great-great grandmother told him that he had a longnose ancestor mixed with Polish saying that Portuguese are not white.

[jwolfer]

Originally Posted by deboinair

No matter how you spin it. In America. White people like David Smith don't accept Juan Suarez from Spain as white like them.

They would say "How can you you have a Spanish name when your are white?"
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That's a broad generalization, especially in 2016. In 1940 in the Northeast and Midwest this attitude was much more common, my great-Grandmother was upset because my Grandfather was engaged to an "immigrant girl" and a Catholic. (My grandmothers parents were Ukrainian immigrants)

"Old stock" DAR types would not consider Poles, Russians, Italians or Serbians as "white" either. Where white=WASP.

In the past Irish were not considered "white" either(No Irish Need Apply), its ironic because English and Irish are essentially the same genetically (no not culturally, so no one from the Ancient Order of Hibernians need get their panties in a wad) and in Continental Europe the closest genetically to the British Isles are Spain and Portugal

[karstic]

The Spanish immigration just melted, there was a Spanish neighbourhood in Manhattan but the only thing that remains Spanish is a restaurant.