Is this the future for Miami? "Luxury" condo nightmares. (best, cities)

[dadeguy]

Originally Posted by SadieMirsade

May be the industry of the tourism industry...could become the industry....(as Latin America's tourism & economies grow, as Cuba opens up).
I don't see why everyplace in the US has to be "producing". Finance & Insurance are very legitimate and lucrative activites. Look at the UK, Singapore.
We're looking at a hemispheric future...and Miami could be the American (and Americas') equivalent of Singapore....not only in business, finance.....but also culture, arts. Here...I'm not referring to Americans' anglo-centric culture and arts...but culture and arts of all the Americas. That's a new horizon.

a very good assessment. miami is indeed a gateway city and the defacto capitol of the caribbean as well as a major junction of the americas.

what you miss is that miami is not and has not been an anglo-american city for quite some time. miami is one of two atypical north american metropolitan areas within the united states. miami has more commonality with our central and south american cousins than with our northern european ones. this fact may also be the reason why we see so many spurious posts regarding this city by many of our anglo-american citizenry.

some folks just can't accept other cultures to their own detriment. xenophobia is a crippler, look at 17th and 18th century china to get a good understanding as to what can occur to great power who will not play globally.

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by noland123

I think Miami needs to look towards the affordable housing market in terms of condominiums,such as the Lofts 12@3 in downtown as they are more in the price range of the locals. This city does not need the Luxury type for they will be flipped for profit or only lived in once in awhile as it will be used as a second dwelling and dark most of the time.

Miami needs to build up and not out as the the supply of land is dwindling and its borders are being pushed to the west infringing more on the Everglades.This is the only way for Miami as its parameters are limited.

Miami is a beautiful and great city,sure it has it's problems and maybe it is lacking in industries,but this city is a haven for northerners and Latin Americans. This city is as good as any big city out there and will continue to grow even through hard times,this is a young city and it will make its mistakes,but hopefully will learn from them.
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I think it is just a matter of time before the condos in downtown Miami are affordable. Building owners or banks need to "get the memo" that Miami can not sustain such absurd prices. Once they do that it will be better for the area.

[SadieMirsade]

Originally Posted by dadeguy

a very good assessment. miami is indeed a gateway city and the defacto capitol of the caribbean as well as a major junction of the americas.

what you miss is that miami is not and has not been an anglo-american city for quite some time.

some folks just can't accept other cultures to their own detriment. xenophobia is a crippler, look at 17th and 18th century china to get a good understanding as to what can occur to great power who will not play globally.

Oh my God. You're so right.
I studied 17th-20th century China (and Japan as well)....and if you compare the two attitudes, you can really see the similarity.

Regarding the fact that Miami isn't only an Anglo-American city, I got that. That's why I'm moving there.

Mind you, I can't really complain. Where I'm at now, the "Anglo" factor has hugely been diluted.
When I first came here you'd always see vinegar and ketchup on the table of every diner. (That's a British thing). And fries were called chips. (as in the UK). The vinegar's gone now and chips became fries.
It's gotten so non-Anglo, that fish'n chips have become an "exotic" food.

[Leovigildo]

Sadie

Fish and chips are exotic in the US, as most English fares. No kidney or sheppard pies either. Luckily, "Anglo" culture doesn't have much to do with England.

Miami is an American city in every way, but another form of American culture is cooking there. Miami is a experiment, the only city in the US in which the top elite is Hispanic and Catholic. The only place in America where top politicians are Hispanic and the best neighbourhouds are occupied by Hispanics.

If the city is a sucess or not will determine the survival of the entire country, since Hispanics will be the majority in less than a century.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Leovigildo

Sadie

Fish and chips are exotic in the US, as most English fares. No kidney or sheppard pies either. Luckily, "Anglo" culture doesn't have much to do with England.

Miami is an American city in every way, but another form of American culture is cooking there. Miami is a experiment, the only city in the US in which the top elite is Hispanic and Catholic. The only place in America where top politicians are Hispanic and the best neighbourhouds are occupied by Hispanics.

If the city is a sucess or not will determine the survival of the entire country, since Hispanics will be the majority in less than a century.

Leo -

Once again you are 100% incorrect. To say that the ruling elite in Miami is solely Hispanic/Catholic is hugely untrue. What you may not know is that the ultra rich whites did not participate in the 'white flight' that so many middle and lower class whites participed in. That is why there is no such thing as a "low income white area" in Miami

See: Bal Harbor, arguably the largest agglomeration of wealth in the U.S. outside of New York, and it is not Hispanic at all...

The same is true for Coco Plum, Deering Bay, Pinecrest, and Palm, Hibiscus, Star, and the Venetian Islands. These areas are where the ultra rich live in Miami. Hispanics represent less than a quarter of the population in these areas. The only "ultra rich" area that Hispanics have a real stake in is Key Biscayne. And no, Coral Gables and Brickell do not fit into the same category as the aforementioned communities, the average value of a single family dwelling comes nowhere close!

[cuba libre]

Most politicians in Miami are Hispanic, and you will not get elected if you do not in some way identify with the 'immigrant struggle' or represent some kind of immigrant ideology in your Miami political platform. Quite stupid if you ask me, as parks and schools have nothing to do with what is going on in the home country!

[Leovigildo]

It's called Democracy.
As to those areas you mention, what percentage of the population is that?
I bet most of them don't even live there most of the year.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Leovigildo

It's called Democracy.
As to those areas you mention, what percentage of the population is that?
I bet most of them don't even live there most of the year.

Go to Bal Harbor Shops next time you swing through Miami... It will be an enlightening experience for you. Your Coral Gables/West Miami-centric views are nauseating sometimes. See, witness, explore

[♥♥PRINC3Ss♥♥]

Cuba, Pinecrest is not ultra rich. I used to live there and I went to middle/high school there too. It might be white and upper/middle class but you cannot put it in the same group as the rest. I would put Pinecrest in the same category as the good areas of Coral Gables. The other areas you mentioned have very low population and many are private islands.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Leovigildo

As to those areas you mention, what percentage of the population is that?

Cutler (Deering Bay) - 26% Hispanic (68% white)

Pinecrest - 29% Hispanic (65% white)

Coral Gables - 47% Hispanic (48% white)

Coco Plum/East Coral Gables - the coastal areas of Coral Gables are almost all white-non Hispanic, unlike Western/Northern Coral Gables which "seem" mostly Hispanic.

Miami Beach - The islands (Star, Hibiscus, Palm, Fisher, Sunset and the Venetian Islands) are part of Miami Beach, though demographically, their makeup is much different. Highly Jewish, highly Northeastern, very wealthy - think Don Shula.

The "La Gorce" area straddling Alton Rd. North of 195 but South of 79th street is highly Jewish and almost all white - their private country Club used to be for Jews only!