Is Miami a lot like new york? (Hialeah, Fort Lauderdale: apartments, crime)

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by Chelsa1075

Perhaps, but I don't think when people are asking if NY is like Miami, that they are saying is the South Bronx like the Pork & Beans area in Miami - you are describing all that is wrong with Miami (again in MY opinion) and nothing that is right about it. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with NY I just don't see the beauty in it on the level that you do. I would venture to think that any day of the week most people would say that Miami is a prettier place than NY - Rosedale looks similar to any town in Ft. Lauderdale - you have to do better than that. Like you so poignantly stated - you live in Miami, I don't - I live in NY, so what you remember or think your remember NY being may not be any more. The other places are nicer now due to gentrification, but now the average person is priced out forcing you to be a what "Tourist" to the area.

Again, that is YOUR opinion as far as the beach thing goes. Eitherway, we are talking about whether or not NYC is like Miami or vice versa. The topic here has nothing to do with Palm trees and beaches. Those are things tourist do, not people who live here and want to know if the two places are similiar or not. Now, unless you eat, work and sleep on the beach, the beach is something you are not going to see that often. That is unless you go out of your way to frequent the beach on your days off. I have seen the beach here two times in the last year. It is not something I enjoy doing nor do I care to go hang out there. Now, as far as places you are going to see on the regular in both places. Downtown Miami for example has come a LONG way, but it is still run down to the point of looking third worldish in SOME areas in the downtown, specifically in the Northern sections. The southern sections are looking right though! It was so bad at one point, one of the largest employers and retailers (Macys) threatened to pull out of the downtown a number of times unless the city did something to clean it up. Tons of bums all over the place and on and on the list goes. You can not compare it to NYC, NYC wins hands down as far as amenities and architecture. I was there two weeks ago for a event at the Art Museum and was suprised to see how deserted the downtown is on the weekends and the number of homeless there. I can not confirm this but a co worker who lives near downtown Miami said its not uncommon to see human feces on some of the sidewalks and in one instance one guy decided he needed to cut the grass near the metro rail station stark naked with some scissors. They really need to build some facilities for these people and get them help.

Anyway, if you drive certian routes you will see certain neighborhoods a lot. For example lets take coconut grove. Very beautiful area, but would I compare it too sea gate or clinton hill in brooklyn heights? No, because in my opinion architecturally and aestheticlly, those areas in BK i named win hands down. The grove can't even compare. As for being priced out, thats not realy a part of this conversation, however home prices are falling and will continue to fall, yes even in NYC. This same thing happend in the 80s/90s and home prices plumetted and the samething is happening once again. So price is irrelevant right now. As for my memory, I am in NYC atleast four times a year, as far as my memory being fuzzy, I was in NYC six months ago. So that argument is also irrelevant to this conversation. Also, topic wise, transportation here sucks, and driving around in ridiculous traffic gets old, REAL quick. Miami does have the leg up on fort lauderdale as far as transportation but, does it compare to NYC? Heck no! BUT Miami is trying to make moves to expand the mass transit. Still has a long way to go though. I even heard they are planning a metro rail line to the new stadium they are building. I hope that rumor is true. Also hope they have retail space for some nice mom and pop shops around that stadium. They need to send the city officials to NYC to see what they are doing/did with the Yankee stadium so they can see how it should be done. Back to real estate, the good thing with Miami is, its bubbled bursed a lot sooner than NYC's did so you have lower prices at this point than in NYC. However NYC isn't far behind (in terms of its bubble bursting) and those prices will continue to fall until they are inline with local incomes.

Now lets look at entertainment. Again no comparison, not even in restuarants. Miami does have some good ones though but it doesn't have the variaty NYC has. Also free events, Miami is really doing a good job on this front. I mean a REALLY good job, especially compared to corny Broward, but again no comparison to NYC. Just go to Yahoo events and look at NYC for one weekend and compare it to Miami. I did that once and it was something like twice the amount of events in NYC as in Miami.

Again, I am not trying to knock Miami. I actually like miami FAR more than Broward and if given the chance I would relocate down there in a heart beat. With that said, I am also realistic having lived in South Florida and NYC. Miami can not compare, not by along shot. But with that said, a person could find worse places to live than Miami. For all the people who knock Miami, I just don't get it. I think Miami is a good look, especially in comparison to Fort Lauderdale.

[Pooring Footers]

"Outside of PARTS of Miami, many of the streets and buildings are just as beatup and run down as anything NYC has. Heck you don't have to venture outside of the downtown to catch glimpses of that. They have come a long way though. You also have some parts of Miami that look third worldish."

Miami is nothing like depicted in tv shows and commercials. I am still shocked that even the guys on ESPN say, "oh poor you, you have to spend the week in Miami covering the ......." But yet, they have no idea what most of Miami is really like. They just think, "oh, 80 degrees in November, it must be beautiful there."

[Eastern Roamer]

Originally Posted by Midwesterns45

I was in miami last spring and i noticed the the people in miami are a lot like new yorkers. Is this true? my cousin is thinking of moving to south florida but doesn't want to deal with tension with rude drivers, impatient people etc.

That's because Miami is full of New Yorkers - they vacation there in droves. New Yorkers like to move to Florida, too. I forget where I heard it, but it's the largest state-to-state migration.

However, I imagine New Yorkers move to Miami because it is not New York. It's a very different kind of city. Mass transit is lacking and high-paying jobs are sparse. For the most part, people move to New York to make money, they move to Miami with money. Of course this may be an over-generalization. Perhaps others can chime in on the accuracy of that.

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by Pooring Footers

"Outside of PARTS of Miami, many of the streets and buildings are just as beatup and run down as anything NYC has. Heck you don't have to venture outside of the downtown to catch glimpses of that. They have come a long way though. You also have some parts of Miami that look third worldish."

Miami is nothing like depicted in tv shows and commercials. I am still shocked that even the guys on ESPN say, "oh poor you, you have to spend the week in Miami covering the ......." But yet, they have no idea what most of Miami is really like. They just think, "oh, 80 degrees in November, it must be beautiful there."

dont get me wrong. I am not here to knock Miami. I do like PARTS of it. But west of I-95 looks like a living hell in MANY spots. When I first moved here some friends of mine ended up in Carol City so I ended up spending a LOT of time over there. That's when I got to know Miami really well. I would rather have my knuckles mashed in with a hammer every day of the week for six months than have to live in some of those west of 95 areas.

[Chelsa1075]

Wild - You don't have to sell NY to me - I agree that Miami and NY have nothing in common other than some NYers who decided to move there, but you are trying to coerce me into thinking that NY is prettier and it just isn't and none of the neighborhoods you mentioned are nicer than Coconut Grove to me - you are going on and on over something that is rediculous - your opinion is not that of everyone and neither is mine - give me a break - NO I don't live there and apparently neither do you, but I visit often (for New Years and, yes, I do see miami through a tourists eyes, but you don't live here anymore you are a tourist as well.

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by Chelsa1075

Wild - You don't have to sell NY to me - I agree that Miami and NY have nothing in common other than some NYers who decided to move there, but you are trying to coerce me into thinking that NY is prettier and it just isn't and none of the neighborhoods you mentioned are nicer than Coconut Grove to me - you are going on and on over something that is rediculous - your opinion is not that of everyone and neither is mine - give me a break - NO I don't live there and apparently neither do you, but I visit often (for New Years and, yes, I do see miami through a tourists eyes, but you don't live here anymore you are a tourist as well.

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[305guy]

Originally Posted by pooring footers

"outside of parts of miami, many of the streets and buildings are just as beatup and run down as anything nyc has. Heck you don't have to venture outside of the downtown to catch glimpses of that. They have come a long way though. You also have some parts of miami that look third worldish."

miami is nothing like depicted in tv shows and commercials. I am still shocked that even the guys on espn say, "oh poor you, you have to spend the week in miami covering the ......." but yet, they have no idea what most of miami is really like. They just think, "oh, 80 degrees in november, it must be beautiful there."

that's because it is beautiful here. They don't know where the bad parts of miami are because they don't care. Would you care where the slums of paris were located if you were there for 3 days?

[Pooring Footers]

No, but the problem is many folks from all over move to Miami and dont know what it's really like. And by that time, you got the Cubans and all other foreigners that seem to live it because it reminds them of home, and then you have a lot of ticked off NY'ers who thought Miami was different than it really is. Now you just have a lot of hot blooded people mixed into one big pot - and it aint diversity, it's called misery.

[305guy]

Originally Posted by Pooring Footers

No, but the problem is many folks from all over move to Miami and dont know what it's really like. And by that time, you got the Cubans and all other foreigners that seem to live it because it reminds them of home, and then you have a lot of ticked off NY'ers who thought Miami was different than it really is. Now you just have a lot of hot blooded people mixed into one big pot - and it aint diversity, it's called misery.

I don't know where you live that is so miserable, but my neighbors, friends, co-workers and associates are here because they like it. Ny'er's have been here forever and continue to come down and the ones that do see it as a step up. My parents are Ny'er's who moved down here from NYC and have loved it here ever since. There was a trade-off but it was worth it to them.

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by 305guy

that's because it is beautiful here. They don't know where the bad parts of miami are because they don't care. Would you care where the slums of paris were located if you were there for 3 days?

305guy ... good call . There are many aspects about Miami Dade County that I do not like , but to say that many parts of the area are not lovely is just plain wrong . I wonder if the ESPN guys hang out in Englewood , Compton or Santa Ana when they visit LA for three days ... or Brooklyn or the Bronx when in NYC or the ghettos in Atlanta ... why would Miami be any different ?

I think the beauty of areas like South Beach , Key Biscayne , Bal Harbor , Golden Beach , Coral Gables , Pine Crest or even Brickell Avenue rank with any in the U.S. ... only San Francisco is in its own catagory for beauty . Some of the comments on here are mind boggling .