Miami's ghetto areas (pictures included) (Harlem: versus, safety, bars)

[somebodymiami]

Cuba is a horrible example to use, as it is communism and you dont dare do a crime in a communist country. have friend in school who came from cuba like 6 years ago, knows perfect english, and he said he would rather live in cuba cause it isnt as dangerous and the people are nicer,

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

Aren't the infamous housing projects around Chicago disappearing as their areas have become gentrified? East St. Louis was also mentioned as a hotspot.

There are probably more handguns in some neighborhoods than there are in a lot of third world countries. In fact, I don't know why you assume that the typical third world country is necessarily violent. (For example, I'll bet that Cuba is a lot less violent than Miami-Dade.)

[Cougar Beach]

Originally Posted by somebodymiami

Cuba is a horrible example to use, as it is communism and you dont dare do a crime in a communist country. have friend in school who came from cuba like 6 years ago, knows perfect english, and he said he would rather live in cuba cause it isnt as dangerous and the people are nicer,

Communism is an economic system. How does an economic system make a person not dare to use a gun? It's miraculous.

Cuba is a dictatorship. There are dictatorships of the left, the right, and in between. Civilians were probably not shooting each other in pre-war Nazi Germany either. The Scandinavian countries are socialist, yet have a very low rate of violent crime. So does Japan.

One of my biggest peeves about the discussion of Cuba is that everything bad that happens or is conceivable comes down to communism, as if Marx would even recognize what is going on in Cuba. It's ridiculous.

People, Cuba is a dictatorship. Bad s**t happens in the rest of the world too, and not much of it is communist.

[southernbelle84]

I don't know how ghetto and NMB even got into the same sentence but, all I can say from living here is yes there are some under developed areas (vacant land, lots etc..) Which are being brought by churches, condo developing etc.. But we also have some of the largest acres to be brought for residential property compared to other cities this size in this area. Ghetto and southside Chicago sounds more logic!

[gymbuff]

Let me reiterate what I have said in the past. The iron bars/paved lawn phenomena is something from a few decades ago. I have plenty of new neighbors who have purchased homes in my neighborhood(Hialeah, close to Miami Springs) and the FIRST thing they do is remove the iron bars from their windows. Honestly, I don't see any of my new neighbors turning their property into the next Redlands or South Dade, with all the lush semi tropical foliage. I do know, however, that they are not decimating whatever little greenery there is, nor are they paving over every blade of grasss in sight. I am not sugar coating Hialeah,and I realize it's a city with issues. However, I honestly think most people's impression of Hialeah is what they see off the Palmetto or Okeechobee Road. If you drive off the main roads and into many block along west 4th avenue, Palm Avenue, west 8th avenue, etc.You will see many, many neat homes, mostly modest, and yes, plenty of trees around.
With the exception of those awfully appalling apartments on Okeechobee, with those overly obnoxious hues from Hell, I can really tell you that I have seen the city plant more trees and make green whatever little sliver of land their is.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by gymbuff

Let me reiterate what I have said in the past. The iron bars/paved lawn phenomena is something from a few decades ago.

Yea well the newest fad seems to be painted, concrete walls surrounding everyone's yard. Or completely gated communities, from nasty tenant apartments to semi-nice McMansions - and the gate attendant never speaks English....

(Imagine the chaos on the weekends...)

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by gymbuff

and the FIRST thing they do is remove the iron bars from their windows.

That's because they mostly put those bars up to keep burglars out back in the 80s. As hard as it is to believe, crime has gone down enough to make the burglar bars (somewhat) obsolete.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by compelled to reply

That's because they mostly put those bars up to keep burglars out back in the 80s. As hard as it is to believe, crime has gone down enough to make the burglar bars (somewhat) obsolete.

ha ha ha

Maybe the scared white people who put them up in the 70's/80's are no longer around... I know that many areas have never taken them down regardless...

[twiggers]

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

Aren't the infamous housing projects around Chicago disappearing as their areas have become gentrified? East St. Louis was also mentioned as a hotspot.

There are probably more handguns in some neighborhoods than there are in a lot of third world countries. In fact, I don't know why you assume that the typical third world country is necessarily violent. (For example, I'll bet that Cuba is a lot less violent than Miami-Dade.)

The big huge projects have been replaced by smaller apartment buildings. They are trying new programs where they are letting the tenants be part "owners" of their property to encourage them to take care of it. They say (they being the mayor's office) that it seems to be working.

I made a wrong turn once into S. Chicago....I ran a couple red lights to get the heck out. Scared the beejeezus out of me.

It's definitely not a neighborhood that Oprah will be moving into soon.....or anyone with a half decent income.

The gang problems are still very bad....last summer was awful!

[gymbuff]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

ha ha ha

Maybe the scared white people who put them up in the 70's/80's are no longer around... I know that many areas have never taken them down regardless...

I am confused. So are iron bars a latin thing or a scared white person thing? Make up your mind. Are you trying to say that now that the whites are gone there is less crime?

[gymbuff]

Dude I know half these people don't speak English but would it hurt you to give a person's name and maybe an apartment number in espanol? It's not like you're going to recite poetry or have an intimate conversation when you are at a guarded gate community.