Black/White or Black/Latin interracial couples? (Miami, Miami Beach: how much, neighborhoods)

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

You take a single case (you), and by a flawed application of inductive reasoning, you think that how it is for everyone. Rather than accuse all South Americans of being jerks, I suggest you look within yourself, and see why you have trouble dealing with and getting along with certain groups of people.

So the moneyed, South American hot heads on Brickell are the new standard or benchmark for measuring American prejudice? Aww, poor babies in their Maseratis... My judgement is as good and midwestern as they come, you are trying to scratch away my credibility, but that is impossible because I lived in the heart of Brickell for 2 years. I've seen everything.

Originally Posted by crisp444

I will have to disagree with cuba libre's statement that "the party in Brickell is not for non-Hispanics." I know non-Hispanic people that go out in Brickell (my best friend who lives there is not Hispanic) and who have a good time there. I just do not see the social segregation in Brickell between non-Hispanics and Hispanics of which you complain.

"The party" is the Brickell glamor scene, which is completely, utterly dominated by the South American transplants. It is the creation of a new culture of smart, pretty, cosmopolitan, urban dwellers who spend money often. Unfortunately, most of the ingredients for this new culture come from the usual batch of national identities. I don't fit into any of Brickell's main selling points, ie new money, immigrant status, etc.

Segregation is a big, overpowering word to use, and it certainly doesn't apply to Brickell. There is no segregation between whites and white Hispanics in Brickell at all, there just aren't nearly as many whites as some claim.

Remember, I lived there for 2 years, you have a "friend" there. I have seen everything that Brickell has to offer.

Originally Posted by crisp444

Brickell is far from being a "Hispanic monoculture"; in fact it is about 1/3 non-Hispanic.

That's still pretty Hispanic. The 1/3 left over is a mix between Argentines who think they are French (insert pun) and Brazilians, who totally think they own the world.

[Migsly]

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

There are only green marines, right?

You are a real idealist.

I take it you are not in the military.

[jonnyjon84]

Originally Posted by Cougar Beach

I wasn't talking about financing at all, and I agree that taxes and the general cost of living in NYC are very high.

Since towns and counties need some sort of stable income stream, as property values drop, property taxes will rise (been through that in New Hampshire).

In any case, the cost of living is certainly lower here than NYC or San Diego. I don't know about the Seattle area. The problem for most residents of the Miami area, though, is that jobs generally don't pay well. That's the nature of the tourist/service industries. We don't manufacture much of anything here. Construction jobs have pretty much disappeared.

If you have a good job, though, Miami can be a lot of fun. If you're expecting the cafe culture and intellectual and professional climate of Seattle, you will definitely be disappointed.

Hey Cougar Beach,

Thanks for the response. I understand you weren't talking about financing, that was just my subtle attempt at saying the normal everyday expenses (rent, utility, sales tax, basically anything not based on yearly income) aren't real factors for me. Don't want to beat a dead horse, but moving to a state with no income tax is the best/easiest way for me to keep a lot more of my hard earned cash each year.

Is Brickell a neighborhood comprising mostly new-money residents? I would much rather live around those than the "trust fund babies" or the other old-money types. With new-money people/locales the only color people care about really is green, and I much prefer being around them over the alternative.

Besides Brickell, can anyone name maybe the next 2 most wealthy neighborhoods in Miami Beach?

Thanks again... you've all been very helpful,
J

[sunrico90]

Originally Posted by Migsly

You ought to join the service. There's lots of interracial couples in the armed forces. The military has 0 tolerance for racism. Everyone is THE SAME.

As a USAF retired member of 22 year of service, this is a true statement.

[JulianM09]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

So the moneyed, South American hot heads on Brickell are the new standard or benchmark for measuring American prejudice? Aww, poor babies in their Maseratis... My judgement is as good and midwestern as they come, you are trying to scratch away my credibility, but that is impossible because I lived in the heart of Brickell for 2 years. I've seen everything.

This another skewed comment by you. You have a strange mindset and seems to affect you in many ways.
My experience in Brickell could not be anymore different.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by JulianM09

This another skewed comment by you. You have a strange mindset and seems to affect you in many ways.
My experience in Brickell could not be anymore different.

Did you live in the "heart" of Brickell for 2 years like me? I think not.

[JulianM09]

Your're right but I spend enough time in the area to know.
You're the class case of a cynic. Not only are your posts on Brickell strange but on pretty much everything in Miami. There are many other people that dislike Miami but are not like you in reasoning and descriptions.
Anyways, Im not here to try and change you and talk more about you, just confronting your ridiculousness. I just strongly disagree with you, in this case on Brickell. Just saying.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by JulianM09

Your're right but I spend enough time in the area to know.
You're the class case of a cynic. Not only are your posts on Brickell strange but on pretty much everything in Miami. There are many other people that dislike Miami but are not like you in reasoning and descriptions.
Anyways, Im not here to try and change you and talk more about you, just confronting your ridiculousness. I just strongly disagree with you, in this case on Brickell. Just saying.

I still lived there for 2 years, whereas you may have visited there once in a while. The other thing that ignited me besides the arrogant Latins carrying on in Spanish all the time, was thier poor driving abilities. Last summer I had a fat old guy driving a Maserati who couldn't speak a word of English try to fight me because he said I took his parking spot...no joke...Trying to fight me would be an uphill battle for almost anyone, much less a 60 year old man with an extra stomach under his belt. I can still hear him muttering "Me estoy estacionando, me estoy estacionando, me estoy estacionando" (I am parking) - pathetic - My best friend from Chicago could not believe his eyes.

Many of my friends visited me in Brickell, and as much as they enjoyed the nightlife, I got the feeling they were happy to leave the 'foreignness' and return to America. Even though I lived in a super nice area, the people always made me feel like I wasn't at home...

BTW, stop the personal attacks. I haven't said anything about you.

[joelibyan]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

BTW, stop the personal attacks. I haven't said anything about you.

No, but you've said plenty about everyone else..

[Cougar Beach]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

So the moneyed, South American hot heads on Brickell are the new standard or benchmark for measuring American prejudice? Aww, poor babies in their Maseratis... My judgement is as good and midwestern as they come, you are trying to scratch away my credibility, but that is impossible because I lived in the heart of Brickell for 2 years. I've seen everything.

You seem not to know the difference between your subjective experience and objective reality. You describe you experience with South Americans as if you're describing a chemical reaction. That is what destroys your credibility. It has nothing to do with me.

A child thinks that his feelings actually describe the universe. As an adult I'd expect more from you. You could have lived in Brickell for 20 year, but if you're a bigot or a misanthrope (which is the persona you cultivate on this board), you're not going to make many friends.

Do not confuse your personal experience with "the way it is".

Originally Posted by cuba libre

"The party" is the Brickell glamor scene, which is completely, utterly dominated by the South American transplants. It is the creation of a new culture of smart, pretty, cosmopolitan, urban dwellers who spend money often. Unfortunately, most of the ingredients for this new culture come from the usual batch of national identities. I don't fit into any of Brickell's main selling points, ie new money, immigrant status, etc.

I think you need some pointers in meeting people and making friends. Unless you're a real outgoing guy, it's not going to be easy to make friends in places like bars or clubs, no matter the prevailing ethnicities or nationalities. It's true that people of a given nationality tend to stick together, but that's by no means a strict rule. More of a problem is approaching someone with the idea that they're probably not going to like you, or with the idea that you're probably not going to like them. People can pick up on that vibe.

If you just can't handle it, and can't make friends with the "rich obnoxious" South Americans of Brickell, so be it, but don't assume that there's no problem on your part.

Originally Posted by cuba libre

Segregation is a big, overpowering word to use, and it certainly doesn't apply to Brickell. There is no segregation between whites and white Hispanics in Brickell at all, there just aren't nearly as many whites as some claim.

I don't know who's claiming what numbers. Walking down the street, it was not obvious to me how many people of what nationality were there.

Originally Posted by cuba libre

Remember, I lived there for 2 years, you have a "friend" there. I have seen everything that Brickell has to offer.

No, I worked there (although I do know someone who lives in the Roads neighborhood). I haven't seen everything Brickell has to offer, but I've actually spoken to South Americans there (and more than a few Europeans). If you've seen "everything Brickell has to offer", then you must have met every person there.

Originally Posted by cuba libre

That's still pretty Hispanic. The 1/3 left over is a mix between Argentines who think they are French (insert pun) and Brazilians, who totally think they own the world.

"Brazilians, who totally think they own the world"? How can you not see how much that comes across as "those uppity blacks", or "those damned Jews"? How could you not see it? Are you trolling? I've known Brazilians in Boston (where there are many) and Miami (where there are many). I have no idea what's at the root of your inflammatory statement.

As far as Argentians are concerned, they are in no way like the French (who you are smearing by implication). Perhaps you've never really listened to the accent of an Argentinian. In the case of this particular nationality, I can honestly tell you that some of my closed friends are Argentinian.

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It seems that you've been gone from Miami for a while, but you're still angry with it, so you continue to beat up on it. It's safe. You know Miami's not going to hit you back. Are you going to do it forever? Does there come a time to let go of your anger?