A tour of the "no speakie English" ghetto (Miami: buying, income)

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by PBCboy

Oddly enough you will find lots of greenery in the poor black areas of Miami-Dade. Lower income areas like Opa-Locka and Little Haiti have more trees and such than areas like Sweetwater and Hialeah.



Weston is currently 42.3% Hispanic and 42.6% Caucasian (not all whites are Anglos). It has increased about 12% since 2000, when it was only about 30% Hispanic. The area looked very "white" to me the last few times I was there though. And in terms of Asians, Indians, and whites from Russia and Romania, Northeast Dade is much more diverse in terms of that (in areas like Aventura, North Miami Beach, and Sunny Isles Beach).

I was there last week and even my wife commented that it looked more like the Weston of ten years ago which was more heavily "Anglo " ... of course though I know many snowbirds that have winter homes in Weston and are just now heading back up North . At the end of the day , people of all races and ethnicities seem to get along pretty well there ( Weston ) and again I thought it was a great place to live and raise our daughters .

[vpcats]

Originally Posted by Rock Newman

Why do you guys continue to post that Hispanics do not like trees ... have you ever been to Buenos Aires , Medellin , Colombia or Santiago Chile ... there are gorgeous tree lined streets everywhere and nicely maintained lawns and landscapes ... it is the Cubans that have arrived in Miami in the last ten - fifteen years that do not like trees and park their cars in the yards on the grass ... stop generalizing all Hispanics ... it would be like generalizing all Asians ... lol .... do not shoot the messenger as I am only repeating what my friends from South America also complain about when the go to MIAMI

Oh so here we go with the Cubans again. Geeezzzzzzzzzzz.
Yeah, go ahead.

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by vpcats

Oh so here we go with the Cubans again. Geeezzzzzzzzzzz.
Yeah, go ahead.

You did not fully read my post ... I think the Cubans that came here in the 1960's and 1970's and even a few from 1980 are great people ... the ones who have come here via the Cuban Adjustment Act and Wet Foot Dry Foot and in the last few years ........ not so much !!!!!

In fact my Cuban friends who now have American kids and went to school here feel the same way about most of the recent arrivals .. as a Cuban American buddy of mine who is an attorney and I will not name says they are of a different species

[Leovigildo]

Crisp

Way back, I knew a Miamiam that studied with my father at St. Leo College in Tampa in 1945. He had a Law Firm in one of those houses on Brickell Avenue. He was there in 1980.

He always said that during the 40's and 50's, crackers and rednecks always came to Miami and were always puzzled and awed by the skyscrappers there.

Well, today is no different. Miami is a 21th Century City, but there's a lot of countryside. A bunch of parochial people visit the city and they hate it, just like "paletos" hate Madrid or Barcelona.

Yes, there might be Anglos or Jews in the best areas in Dade, but they won't be there in 10 years. There's a great, enormous wave of Cubans that will arrive in less than 10 years. Not all poor, many are rich.

Filthy rich.

Some are taking positions in Spain, but the main bulk will fall there.

[crisp444]

VPCats, he specifically said "Cubans that have arrived in Miami in the last ten - fifteen years" - to me, this seems to imply working-class Cubans. If my assumption is correct, then I have to agree with Rock. You, Rock, and I all know that upper-income Cuban areas aren't veritable deserts when it comes to landscaping

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by vpcats

Oh so here we go with the Cubans again. Geeezzzzzzzzzzz.
Yeah, go ahead.

I look you though vpcats .. you seem like a super person ... and yes you are Cuban or so I am told

[vpcats]

Originally Posted by crisp444

VPCats, he specifically said "Cubans that have arrived in Miami in the last ten - fifteen years" - to me, this seems to imply working-class Cubans. If my assumption is correct, then I have to agree with Rock. You, Rock, and I all know that upper-income Cuban areas aren't veritable deserts when it comes to landscaping

So....if you arrived here 20, 30, 40 years ago, you are not a working class Cuban? What is working class? Minimum wage? Six figures? Business owner? Car mechanic, secretary, nurse?

[vpcats]

Originally Posted by Rock Newman

I look you though vpcats .. you seem like a super person ... and yes you are Cuban or so I am told

I was born in Cuba.

[crisp444]

I often use "working class" to refer to lower-middle income people with (usually) blue-collar jobs. Most of Hialeah is working class. "Middle class" refers pretty much exclusively to income (meaning income that is neither very low nor very high, as measured by household income statistics per the US census), as one can be middle class who owns a lanscaping company, teaches HS science, or is an accountant. Much of SW Miami-Dade is middle class.

Established Cubans and Cuban-Americans tend to be middle-class, upper-middle class, or upper class; newly-arrived Cubans tend to be more working-class. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule (I can name a few!)

I would be glad to give you all of the statistics on median income, upper quintile, upper 5%, etc. but I prefer not to do it here because it is usually a hot topic and people like to "disagree" with the statistics I post, claiming that economic class is measured by what you can buy and not by your earnings related to others. Please PM me if you would like me to explain what I mean by this.

[vpcats]

Originally Posted by crisp444

I often use "working class" to refer to lower-middle income people with (usually) blue-collar jobs. Most of Hialeah is working class. "Middle class" refers pretty much exclusively to income, as one can be middle class who owns a lanscaping company, teaches HS science, or is an accountant. Much of SW Miami-Dade is middle class.

Established Cubans and Cuban-Americans tend to be middle-class, upper-middle class, or upper class; newly-arrived Cubans tend to be more working-class. Clearly there are exceptions to this rule (I can name a few!)

Wonder where I am. I have to work. I have to pay bills and I never have enough play money. and my collar is non-existent.

Actually I don't think the breakdown is accurate. There is a hugenormous (like that word?) amount of Cubans who have been here forever who don't have a pot to wiwi in.