Is Orlando like Miami? (Tampa, Hialeah: neighborhood, high school, college)

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by Scientifical Madness

^^^ I'm not talking about nightlife. I think Orlando and Miami are alike due to the crime, road rage, the people, the type of people attracted to both cities, the languages, etc... I didnt say they are exactly alike, but I can see Orlando becoming more and more like Miami.

Ps- Rock - I dont live in Kissimmee, but you'd think I did. I live in one of the better areas of Orlando, but again, you wouldnt know it. The people, the foreclosures, the constant espanol and lack of respect people have around here, you'd think you were in Miami.

I spent a week up there with family in January and I did not see or hear the constant Spanish you are constantly complaining about ... we stayed at the Downtown Marriott near the Amway Arena , enjoyed all of the nearby areas .... I insist that Orlando has a lovely walkable downtown .. had lunch near the lofts at Lake Eola ... spent time in Wyndermere , Dr.Philips , Longwood , Winter Park ... drove up to Mt. Dora , Deland and other than a few Puerto Rican teenagers at Downtown Disney and some horrible traffic on I-4 ... I did not see what you are constantly complaining about ?

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by grapico

yeah it couldn't be this...

in 2004, Miami had the third highest incidence of family incomes below the federal poverty line in the United States, making it the third poorest city in the USA, behind only Detroit, Michigan (ranked #1) and El Paso, Texas (ranked #2.) Miami is also one of the very few cities where its local government went bankrupt, in 2001.[39] As of 2007, however, the housing market has crashed and more than 23,000 condos are for sale and/or foreclosed.[41] The Miami area ranks 8th in the nation in foreclosures.[42] Miami is also one of the least affordable places to live, with the median percentage of housing costs as a percentage of income was 42.8%; the national average was 27%. Miami ranks twelfth among least affordable cities for home ownership.

But yes, the white caucasian population in Miami is 10%...

• Hispanic or Latino of any race: 65.8%
• Black (many of whom are from the Caribbean) or African American: 22.3%
• Some other races: 5.4%
• Two or more races: 4.7%

But yes...

As of 2000, speakers of Spanish as their first language accounted for 66.75% of residents, while English was spoken by 25.45%...

I don't speak fluent spanish myself and see where I could run into problems just looking at the statistics...I know a lot of jobs there when I was originally job searching are bilingual (spanish/english) only.

these are older numbers, the data is actually worse now.

I hate when people post these useless stats on here ... so again the same old argument ... according to these stats Hispanics cannot be white caucasians ?

I find it funny the many white americans on this board , that we feel we are the only ones who are caucasian and Hispanics cannot be caucasian .. the white caucasian population is only 10% ... that is a load of crap ..... you mean the white american / anglo population is only 10% .... when you write something down insure that you know what you are writing ... I put about as much importance to these stats as I do to the Miami has the best looking people on one list and the following week Miami has the fattest people ... who cares ?

Lets call it what it is white Americans or Anglos are uncomfortable in Miami because of the Hispanic majority and feel ostracized being a minority and feeling like a stranger in their own country .... PERIOD and these is nothing wrong with that ... I just find it funny when people sugar coat the reasons they do not like Miami and mention the cost of living , heat , traffic and crime ... if that were the case you could not live in half the cities in Florida , the Gulf or even eeeeek The Carolinas !!!

[Scientifical Madness]

I dont like Miami due to it's crime, its traffic and road rage, and absolutely, being white, I wouldnt want to live in Miami. I'm not afraid to admit it, I couldnt stand being in Miami due to feeling like the minority, and in 10-20 yrs Orlando may be the same way. It's not as bad yet, that's for sure, but it's headed that way.

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by Scientifical Madness

I dont like Miami due to it's crime, its traffic and road rage, and absolutely, being white, I wouldnt want to live in Miami. I'm not afraid to admit it, I couldnt stand being in Miami due to feeling like the minority, and in 10-20 yrs Orlando may be the same way. It's not as bad yet, that's for sure, but it's headed that way.

First post that you make that I respect .... there is nothing wrong with wanting to be with people similar to yourself .. even with its upside diversity can be difficult , especially when some of the newcomers will not assimilate ... I happen to like many areas of Dade County and think they are beautiful , but would have a hard time living there ... but I do enjoy South Florida and will never apologize for that .

[Scientifical Madness]

Originally Posted by Rock Newman

First post that you make that I respect .... there is nothing wrong with wanting to be with people similar to yourself .. even with its upside diversity can be difficult , especially when some of the newcomers will not assimilate ... I happen to like many areas of Dade County and think they are beautiful , but would have a hard time living there ... but I do enjoy South Florida and will never apologize for that .

Hey, I say what I feel. If I observe a certain group of people doing something (crime, road rage, whatever) I'm gonna say it. People may not like it that I'm pointing out a certain group of people, and that's fine. But I have my opinions and reasons for saying what I do, and it's through observing certain actions of these folks.

Based on where I live, in my community, the people that are breaking into houses, stealing motorcycles, riding my bumper in our neighbrohhod, excessively speeding, and just plain being rude and inconsiderate are 90% of the time a certain group of people. If I didnt see these things day in and day out, I'd have a different perspective.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Scientifical Madness

I think diversity is overrated anyhow. I live in a diverse area, Asians, Blacks, Indian, mostly Hispanic, a few white familes... and what I see is hardly anyone talking to eachother, some folks cant communicate to one another, and definitely conducting yourself, and how you handle things like driving, an taking care of your house and yard also vary quite a bit. So it basically makes this neighborhood a very strange place.

I love the aspect. IMO, that makes diversity underrated. I love the different cultures and how they interact at times. I love how unpredictable your city can be at the turn into different neighborhoods because of the amount of diversity is in the city. Diversity isn't a problem in Toronto, New York, Houston, or even Washington DC. It isn't a problem in Miami either. The different festivals such as Goombay to Calle Ocho will only happen in diverse settings. Diversity also brings different minds to the table and different ideas. I guess there is positives and negatives to it.

I doubt that. Please provide info if you can.

Miami is a vastly underrated media market city. Home of nearly all the Spanish networks that you pass by on TV. Miami's gross domestic product is at $248 million while Charlotte is at $114, Miami's international airport and the port of Miami is another aspect of Miami's economy that Charlotte does not have. Miami has one of the largest airports in the nation with more enplanments than Charlotte-Douglass though very slightly. It is the 3rd busiest airport for international passengers, the 4th busiest Cargo airport in the nation, and one of the top 20 airports in the nation. The Miami area airspace is one of the busiest in the nation as well. Miami is also a huge shipping area because of the Port.

Right... financial center for LATIN America. You're comparing Brickell, a place hardly anyone outside of Miami knows to Charlotte? Are you kidding?

I don't think you understand. Miami's Brickell has the largest concentration of International banks in the country. This area makes Uptown Charlotte's skyline look like Orlando's (no offense Orlando). I know what Charlotte has. But Miami has a very strong financial industry including more. Outside of banking, what makes Charlotte in such a higher tier than Miami?

Traders looking to relocate out of NYC/San Fran are going to head to Atlanta or Charlotte, most likely not Miami.

Atlanta probably. Charlotte I don't think so. Charlotte is basically in Atlanta's trading area. Miami is isolated from the domestic area of the rest of the US and it's the only major city around and that attracts alot of traders. Traders moving from NYC mostly head straight to Miami anyway. They've been doing it for the past 50 plus years.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Spade

I love the aspect. IMO, that makes diversity underrated. I love the different cultures and how they interact at times. I love how unpredictable your city can be at the turn into different neighborhoods because of the amount of diversity is in the city. Diversity isn't a problem in Toronto, New York, Houston, or even Washington DC. It isn't a problem in Miami either. The different festivals such as Goombay to Calle Ocho will only happen in diverse settings. Diversity also brings different minds to the table and different ideas. I guess there is positives and negatives to it.

Your romantic tone regarding "diversity" and multiculturalism sounds lame. You seem like an adventurous gringo tourist at best; someone who straps on a pair of Jesus sandles and a backpack and takes off to the barrio to 'interact' with people who come form abject poverty.

You have no idea what Calle Ocho is all about. The festival abandoned its Cuban roots a while back, so you will see more tacos and enchiladas there than you will traditional Cuban food. It has transformed into a festival in which the poorest, most disadvantaged people in Miami go to misbehave and rally for indigenuous Hispanic causes. It is not a tourist oriented event whatsoever. The mood of the whole expo is unquestionably Anti-American, pro-Central South American. That is NOT the way it used to be.

It is also becoming a potent recruiting tool for the Democrats in Miami-Dade. Reaching out to impoverished refugees, offering free programs and such.

[Scientifical Madness]

[quote=Spade;9277248]I love the aspect. IMO, that makes diversity underrated. I love the different cultures and how they interact at times. I love how unpredictable your city can be at the turn into different neighborhoods because of the amount of diversity is in the city. Diversity isn't a problem in Toronto, New York, Houston, or even Washington DC. It isn't a problem in Miami either. The different festivals such as Goombay to Calle Ocho will only happen in diverse settings. Diversity also brings different minds to the table and different ideas. I guess there is positives and negatives to it.


Miami is a vastly underrated media market city. Home of nearly all the Spanish networks that you pass by on TV. Miami's gross domestic product is at $248 million while Charlotte is at $114, <--- Does that include the import/export sales of cocaine at which Miami is ground zero for? Sort of kidding... Miami's international airport and the port of Miami is another aspect of Miami's economy that Charlotte does not have. See above. You and I both know what the port of Miami brings to the table... it aint food. Miami has one of the largest airports in the nation with more enplanments than Charlotte-Douglass though very slightly. It is the 3rd busiest airport for international passengers, of course, the gateway to Latin America... the 4th busiest Cargo airport in the nation, and one of the top 20 airports in the nation. See above. The Miami area airspace is one of the busiest in the nation as well. Miami is also a huge shipping area because of the Port.


I don't think you understand. Miami's Brickell has the largest concentration of International banks in the country. This area makes Uptown Charlotte's skyline look like Orlando's (no offense Orlando). I know what Charlotte has. But Miami has a very strong financial industry including more. Outside of banking, what makes Charlotte in such a higher tier than Miami? I guess maybe my point of view is skewed. Everything you say pretty much centers around Latin America, whether is be the airports or import/export aspect, and even the banking aspect. Put it this way, most of them (AMERICANS) from NYC looking to trade places are looking into Charlotte and Atlanta, not Miami. They dont call Charlotte "little NYC" for nothing.


Atlanta probably. Charlotte I don't think so. Charlotte is basically in Atlanta's trading area. Miami is isolated from the domestic area of the rest of the US and it's the only major city around and that attracts alot of traders. Traders moving from NYC mostly head straight to Miami anyway. I dont believe so - Charlotte and Atlanta would be far more ideal. Your average trader is going to be male, in his/her 30's and American; Miami isnt ideal. They've been doing it for the past 50 plus years.

[Scientifical Madness]

How Charlotte became a banking giant, outpacing Pittsburgh's banks

[Scientifical Madness]

United States' Largest Banks

The following list shows the largest banks in the U.S., as of May 30, 2008. The assets are listed in millions of dollars.
RankName (city, state)Consolidated
assets 1. Citigroup (New York, N.Y.)$2,199,848 2. Bank of America Corp. (Charlotte, N.C.)1,743,478 3. J. P. Morgan Chase & Company (Columbus, Ohio)1,642,862 4. Wachovia Corp. (Charlotte, N.C.)808,575 5. Taunus Corp. (New York, N.Y.)750,323
United States' Largest Banks &mdash; Infoplease.com


PS - and to get back to your population figures, I care more about the quality than the quantity.