Could a person do well in Miami, IN A WHITE COLLAR JOB, without ever speaking English? (Miami Beach: unemployment, neighbourhoods)

[Leovigildo]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

I have no respect for people who make excuses or defend the 65% of Miami that speak Spanish all the time. There is no reason why Miami has to be any different than any other city of immigrants, in that they work hard at learning the language of the land, no matter what soceoeconomic stratum they belong to.

Also, to those who make excuses for people who refuse to speak English, you are in a minority yourself. Most (non-3rd world) people who cared about preserving our American heritage i.e., language, manners, and ethics have already voted with their feet by leaving. The small 20%-30% non-3rd world-immigrant minority that remains (Whites, AA's) in Miami are the only hope for rebuilding what has been lost the last 20 years.

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But Cuba Libre...

Miami is the only city in the US where the most luxurious neighbourhoods are occupied by Latins.

The only city where Latins occupy the upper tier, including politicians, financial intermediaries, lawyers, doctors, CPA's...

The only place in the United States where REAL STATE increased in price after the famous "Anglo Flight". If the REAL STATE increases in price without Anglos and AA's, who needs them?

A city where Spanish is official.

Yes, of course, you need English just the same way you need English anywhere in the world.

The small minority you're talking too are marginal and they won't rebuilt something that never was. Miami will never be a sleepy and segregated southern town again.

Oh, yes, I'm sure it was a nicer place back in the 50's, but the entire US was nicer during the 50's.


From the WIKIPEDIA:

Because of its proximity to Latin America, Miami serves as the headquarters of Latin American operations for more than 1400 multinational corporations, including AIG, American Airlines, Cisco, Disney, Exxon, FedEx, Kraft Foods, Microsoft, Oracle, SBC Communications, Sony, and Visa International.

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Leovigildo

But Cuba Libre...

Miami is the only city in the US where the most luxurious neighbourhoods are occupied by Latins.

They live in many of these neighborhoods, but they by no means domiate them.

In the most luxurious areas of Miami (Bal Harbor, Pinecrest, Palm and Hibiscus Islands, the Venetian Causeway, Key Biscayne), Hispanics DO NOT have the drivers seat as they are the minority.

Originally Posted by Leovigildo

The only place in the United States where REAL STATE increased in price after the famous "Anglo Flight".

The reason it increased is because the few whites that remained built walls around their subdivisions or incorporated into their own cities, hence the higher value of incorporated areas, which were already the nicest parts of the county. There are ways to protect youself and your family from rampant immigration and rising crime, but you'll have to have thick skin.

Like I always say, just wait for the "chicken and rice riots", you'll be glad you have a wall around your subdivision.

[crisp444]

Originally Posted by cuba libre

They live in many of these neighborhoods, but they by no means domiate them.

In the most luxurious areas of Miami (Bal Harbor, Pinecrest, Palm and Hibiscus Islands, the Venetian Causeway, Key Biscayne), Hispanics DO NOT have the drivers seat as they are the minority.

This is true. Though Key Biscayne is about half "Hispanic", "Hispanics" do not comprise the majority of the absolute wealthiest places in Miami-Dade. When we begin talking about upper-middle class places, "Hispanics" make up the majority, and nowadays they certainly make up the majority in middle class places.

Originally Posted by cuba libre

The reason it increased is because the few whites that remained built walls around their subdivisions or incorporated into their own cities, hence the higher value of incorporated areas, which were already the nicest parts of the county. There are ways to protect youself and your family from rampant immigration and rising crime, but you'll have to have thick skin.

Like I always say, just wait for the "chicken and rice riots", you'll be glad you have a wall around your subdivision.

Stuff like this is patronizing to non-"Anglos" who were born and raised in Miami in nice areas, almost all of which are still just as nice, even though they now have fewer "Anglos." Also, it's inaccurate to talk about walls around upper-income subdivisions; in fact it is the older, more established well-monied areas that tend to have the least gated communities... gated communities can be found in West Kendall, Homestead, Doral, and NW Hialeah.... not exactly places known for old money. Gates do not predominate in Coral Gables, Pinecrest, Central Miami Beach, Key Biscayne, and the other most desirable places in Miami-Dade.

[crisp444]

Originally Posted by lolitazz

I cannot believe you are defending this guy crisp. I think you are in denial. He spreads hate towards hispanics and blacks, and even if he didn't believe his stuff(which I highly doubt) other crazy people out there might believe his stuff.

I am not really defending cuba libre here; I'm just rationalizing how he is. I don't like a lot of what he writes, but I'll tell you one thing: from participating in this forum for so long I can usually tell after a while when someone seems stupid, unreasonable, clueless, intelligent, passionate, accurate, witty, etc... and one thing cuba libre is not is stupid. He seems pretty intelligent, and I would have a very hard time believing that someone who is seemingly so intelligent could take literally all of what he writes on this forum. He and I go about making our points in very different ways. He uses hyperbole and exaggeration; I use facts, "big words," and long, descriptive explanations. Honestly, the average person might like his posting style better than mine. In the time I have participated in this forum, I have gotten some "fan mail" calling my posts, boring, snobby, and condescending in tone.... hey, some people don't like that I write with authority and question the authority of others. I don't approve of how cuba libre writes all of the time, but most of what he writes does not cross the line when it comes to racism or xenophobia. I'm not going to lie, I reported him once or twice a long time ago, but generally I've just learned that we have different opinions and that he has a right to say what he says. He himself knows that there are plenty of educated, English-speaking, classy Hispanic people in Miami... that's just not the kind of stat that he's going to include when he's talking about Allapatah or the area around the Orange Bowl.

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I take that back, you are correct. You were saying he makes intelligent posts which I totally disagree with but yes it is not necessarily defending him. I'm just not very good with word choices, probably because of my third world country upbringing

[compelled to reply]

I still want to see him drunk.

[crisp444]

Originally Posted by compelled to reply

I still want to see him drunk.

Me too. I still want to do a meet-up! I will be down in Miami again from +/- August 9 to +/- August 20. Speaking of drinking, I need to jump in the shower and head out!

[doggiebus]

Glad to see the last few posts, but we need to get back on topic please.

[Leovigildo]

Doggiebus

Just a punctualization concerning a previous post. I'll return to the original thread.

As to the demographics of Key Byscaine or Cayo Vizcaino (I have family there living since the 50's).

Demographics
As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 10,507 people, 4,259 households, and 2,900 families residing in the village. The population density was 3,169.4/km² (8,225.0/mi²). There were 6,378 housing units at an average density of 1,923.9/km² (4,992.8/mi²). The racial makeup of the village was 95.46% White (48.1% were Non-Hispanic White,)[7] 0.46% African American, 0.14% Native American, 0.92% Asian, 0.00% Pacific Islander, 1.49% from other races, and 1.52% from two or more races. 49.79% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race (MAJORITY).

There were 4,259 households out of which 32.3% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 58.0% were married couples living together, 7.7% had a female householder with no husband present, and 31.9% were non-families. 27.9% of all households were made up of individuals and 9.5% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.47 and the average family size was 2.99.

In the village the population was spread out with 24.2% under the age of 18, 4.6% from 18 to 24, 29.6% from 25 to 44, 26.0% from 45 to 64, and 15.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 40 years. For every 100 females there were 88.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 84.8 males.
The median income for a household in the village was $86,599, and the median income for a family was $107,610. Males had a median income of $86,322 versus $46,765 for females. The per capita income for the village was $54,213.

As of 2000, speakers of Spanish as a first language accounted 59.73% of residents, while English made up 30.83%, Portuguese was at 2.83%, French at 2.67%, Italian consisted of 1.66%, and German was the mother tongue of 1.46% of the population.[8]

As of 2000, Key Biscayne had the thirty-first highest percentage of Cuban residents in the US, with 15.53% of the populace.[9] It had the eleventh highest percentage of Colombian residents in the US, at 7.07% of the village's population,[10] and the fourteenth highest percentage of Peruvian residents in the US, at 2.48% of its population (tied with Glen Cove, New York.)[11] It also had the fourth most Venezuelans in the US, at 2.36%,[12] while it had the twenty-first highest percentage of Brazilians, at 1.50% of all residents (tied with Sunny Isles Beach and five other areas.)[13] Key Biscayne's Nicaraguan community had the forty-second highest percentage of residents, which was at 1.02% of the US population.[14]

[cuba libre]

Originally Posted by Leovigildo

Doggiebus

Just a punctualization concerning a previous post. I'll return to the original thread.

As to the demographics of Key Byscaine or Cayo Vizcaino (I have family there living since the 50's).

Demographics
As of the census[1] of 2000, there were 10,507 people, 4,259 households, and 2,900 families residing in the village. The population density was 3,169.4/km² (8,225.0/mi²). There were 6,378 housing units at an average density of 1,923.9/km² (4,992.8/mi²). The racial makeup of the village was 95.46% White (48.1% were Non-Hispanic White,)[7] 0.46% African American, 0.14% Native American, 0.92% Asian, 0.00% Pacific Islander, 1.49% from other races, and 1.52% from two or more races. 49.79% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race (MAJORITY).

There were 4,259 households out of which 32.3% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 58.0% were married couples living together, 7.7% had a female householder with no husband present, and 31.9% were non-families. 27.9% of all households were made up of individuals and 9.5% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.47 and the average family size was 2.99.

In the village the population was spread out with 24.2% under the age of 18, 4.6% from 18 to 24, 29.6% from 25 to 44, 26.0% from 45 to 64, and 15.6% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 40 years. For every 100 females there were 88.4 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 84.8 males.
The median income for a household in the village was $86,599, and the median income for a family was $107,610. Males had a median income of $86,322 versus $46,765 for females. The per capita income for the village was $54,213.

As of 2000, speakers of Spanish as a first language accounted 59.73% of residents, while English made up 30.83%, Portuguese was at 2.83%, French at 2.67%, Italian consisted of 1.66%, and German was the mother tongue of 1.46% of the population.[8]

As of 2000, Key Biscayne had the thirty-first highest percentage of Cuban residents in the US, with 15.53% of the populace.[9] It had the eleventh highest percentage of Colombian residents in the US, at 7.07% of the village's population,[10] and the fourteenth highest percentage of Peruvian residents in the US, at 2.48% of its population (tied with Glen Cove, New York.)[11] It also had the fourth most Venezuelans in the US, at 2.36%,[12] while it had the twenty-first highest percentage of Brazilians, at 1.50% of all residents (tied with Sunny Isles Beach and five other areas.)[13] Key Biscayne's Nicaraguan community had the forty-second highest percentage of residents, which was at 1.02% of the US population.[14]

There must be a mini-barrio hidden somewhere on the island...