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Old 07-19-2009, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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Burgler,do you know what it cost to go the hospital these days or prosthetic limb ,which I wear? It is impossible to save what it cost to go to the hospital,even paying it back on a monthly basis takes years and years.It cost me $18,000 for my prosthetic leg. Crime such as fraud along with other variables drives up medical costs.
I'm assuming you have health care.. i'm not against health care. i'm just against obama's socialized health care.. which is completely ridiculous.

 
Old 07-20-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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It sure beats adding trillions to our deficit for a healtcare plan that isn't even sufficient... Maybe we could take that money and teach people how to budget their money to pay for their health care. Do the people realize that a national healthcare will still make people pay.. it doesn't mean free...


You'd honestly be happy if USA was in the same position as Canada?
I take it that you, or someone you care about has never had to deal with a lengthy stay in hospital in the US, along with the hefty bills that follow (even with insurance)?

Unless you're rich, how does one "budget" for a $40,000 hospital bill? Are you an elitist?
 
Old 07-20-2009, 09:38 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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I'm assuming you have health care.. i'm not against health care. i'm just against obama's socialized health care.. which is completely ridiculous.
Our current system is "ridiculous". We have a healthcare system which basically allows corporations to profiteer from illness. I don't know about you, but to me, that's just morally wrong. The free market is the solution to most things, but certainly not when it comes to healthcare (case and point: the dysfunctional US healthcare system that has fallen victim of vulture capitalists).
 
Old 07-21-2009, 04:11 PM
 
Location: MIA
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Our current system is "ridiculous". We have a healthcare system which basically allows corporations to profiteer from illness. I don't know about you, but to me, that's just morally wrong. The free market is the solution to most things, but certainly not when it comes to healthcare (case and point: the dysfunctional US healthcare system that has fallen victim of vulture capitalists).
Obama wants to impose SOCIALISM on a segment of our economy that represents 15% of our GDP (Healthcare). The last thing we need is some kind of enormous bureaucratic rationing body that tells us what we "can and can't do".
 
Old 07-21-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Obama wants to impose SOCIALISM on a segment of our economy that represents 15% of our GDP (Healthcare). The last thing we need is some kind of enormous bureaucratic rationing body that tells us what we "can and can't do".
You're talking to someone who isn't afraid of the word "socialism". When it comes to healthcare, we have sold it all off to the highest bidder, now we're left to pick up the pieces. The free market isn't the answer for everything; the US healthcare system is living proof of this.

Our "for profit" healthcare system allows unelected corporations to effectively decide who lives and dies, and they can charge whatever they like. Medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy here in the US. Something is gravely wrong with that picture, because you can make all the right "choices" (conservatives here seem to love that word), yet a major illness can cause you to lose everything, even with seemingly good health insurance.

I don't trust the government either, but I trust money grabbing b**tards even less.
 
Old 07-21-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Oh...one more thing, before y'all accuse me of being some sort of Communistsocialistpinkoliberal. Capitalism is absolutely great in theory, except that human greed often f**ks it all up, case and point, the US healthcare non-system.
 
Old 07-21-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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Oh...one more thing, before y'all accuse me of being some sort of Communistsocialistpinkoliberal. Capitalism is absolutely great in theory, except that human greed often f**ks it all up, case and point, the US healthcare non-system.
WOA, Don't you want to see the extreme gap between Comunism's theory and practice. Just huge.
 
Old 07-21-2009, 09:58 PM
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Location: Miami
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Lets get back on topic, if we can't stay on topic this thread will be closed. Its about Medicare Fraud in Miami.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:12 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Lets get back on topic, if we can't stay on topic this thread will be closed. Its about Medicare Fraud in Miami.
Sorry doggiebus -- we should save this nonsense for the politics forum, although there are a million and one healthcare posts in there, each 1,000,000 pages long.
 
Old 07-24-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I really need to write about my recent experience with Canada's much maligned "socialized" health care system.
Last Wednesday, at 10:30 in the evening I went for a walk around the block. Stopped at a 24-hour gorcer's and on the way out....dropped like a rock, passed out on the sidewalk. I have no previous health problems, had no symptoms. It was a real awakening to the fragility of life.
A young Mexican exchange student working across the street in a fast-food sandwich joint....saw me....ran across...ran back...called his sister to help me...called the ambulance.
I was in the hospital within minutes.
The ambulance attendants were amazing. The nurses at the hospital....so-so. I was in the hospital emergency for almost 20 hours. They took countless blood tests, did a couple of brain scans, x-rayed my lungs, kept me hooked up to all the monitors. Before leaving, I was outfitted with a horter (heart monitoring) to be worn for 2 days. Since then, the hospital has called me for further tests in a week.
I saw a team of 6 doctors before I left.
I do not have to pay a cent....00000000....for all this care. Zero.

I like to be objective and pragmatic about my political affiliations, but I just read about the propaganda in the US (vis-a-vis Canada's healthcare) and I'm in shock. Disgusted.
Someone from Texas just referred to the top healthcare I recived.....as GARBAGE.
Btw...the hospital I went to is a very respected teaching & research institution, which receives funding from both the private sector and government.

Canada's millionaires love to make big donations to hospitals (which by "Texas political standards" are all communist-socialist torture dungeons). The lady in the emergency bed next to mine definitely looked like she belonged to the "donor class". The guy on a stretcher in the hallway looked like he was recovering from a bar brawl. This was everybody's hospital. We have no private chi-chi hospitals. When the rich want their neighbourhood hospital to become chi-chi, they make a donation.
Everyone in this city has access to the same hospitals. I've never thought much about the "health care" debate but after this experience....I'm a convert to Canada's healthcare system.
Yeah, it needs more money for the latest and most sophisticated technology that'll keep me alive 'till 150, but for everyday healthcare....this can't be beat.
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