Why this place blows!!! (Miami, Miami Beach: real estate, travel, job)

[Southfloridamiamian]

Ok if you say so

[doggiebus]

I don't hate Miami, I never siad that. I just think there are better place to live than Miami.

I guess you guys came from some pretty aweful places, that Miami is so great in your opinion.

[unixpilot]

Originally Posted by JDMR09

Those people made Miami into a small resort town, the latinos have made it a world class internationally known city.

True... I see Miami-Dade and Broward on "COPS" all the time!

[bale002]

Yes, Miami is a world city as measured by such indicators as trade volume passing through its ports - yes concentrated in trade with Latin America - the finance and insurance industry supporting trade and real estate in particular, the presence of multi-nationals, mainly sales offices for Latin America, the diplomatic presence, not only Latin American, but also European and others.

In short, in the context of the globalized economy, coastal Miami - Brickell and Coral Gables in particular - is one niche link in this global chain, but it is exposed to several major risks, both natural and political (domestic and foreign), a world class coastal city that appears increasingly divorced from life in the "hinterland" so to speak, not only, say, from what agricultural life used to be in Dade County, but also from life in such suburbs as Kendall: the world of the Brickell diplomat and the Papa John's waitress in Kendall are two different worlds.

Now, in the context of the financial chaos that reigns throughout the US because of years of dirt cheap credit, among other things, Miami blows because, unless you are a relatively important figure in "world city" complex mentioned above already making serious money, the cost of living is extremely high and, in short, there is little value for the money.

Now, some people find this "little" value to be more valuable than what they otherwise know or have access to.

For other people, there are better places to live.

A global, mostly coastal, urban elite, exploiting and/or neglecting the surrounding underclass and hinterland, in the context of booming trade, is really nothing new in history, it is a phenomenon that reappears cyclically, and we happen to be in one of those cycles.

Miami will "make it" as a world city if globalization continues and Latin America continues to be part of that process.

But it faces two major types of risks.

First, political, both international (the turn to the "left" in certain South American countries, for example) and domestic (corruption and incompetence at the local government level may destroy whatever competitive advantages Miami enjoys as a niche in the economic globalization chain).

Second, natural. A category 4 or 5 hurricane could send Miami back to the pre-industrial era in a matter of hours, or, as result of global warming, if you believe in that sort of thing, whole swathes of southern Florida could sink below sea level again (check out the region's geological history).

So Miami is especially great if you are gainfully connected to the "world city complex" mentioned above and you have major assets in another part of the world.

Miami blows if you are any less than that and you know the difference.

Miami is probably neutral if you don't.

It seems that the very unhappy people in Miami are those with no connection with the "world city complex", with no connection with Latin American culture, and know that, in this social context, there is little or no value here for whatever portfolio or assets, quantity of money, and size of income they may have, great or small.

[Derek1]

Originally Posted by doggiebus

I don't hate Miami, I never siad that. I just think there are better place to live than Miami.

I guess you guys came from some pretty aweful places, that Miami is so great in your opinion.

Doggiebus , you are contradicting yourself .... you do hate Miami . I cannot stand the city of Miami either , but I do like Miami Beach , Coral Gables and other places . I think you have to distinguish these from the city of Miami ...
i.e Little Havana , Liberty City , Westchester , Carol City , Kendall , etc , etc areas which in my relatively short time down here I avoid like the plague .

Question .... why do we keep rehashing the same subjects here ... yourself , CIXel , Unixpilot , Tallrick and a few others , who the hell cares if people like Miami , why do you and the mentioned people seem to be so adamant about this issue and why do you guys seem to take such an intolerant posture when others do express like for Miami .... I do not get it ?

There are a few other posters on here that are borderline racist but you three guys seem to be intelligent and have heads on their shoulders ... why spend so much time on one subject ... again I do not get it ?

I am in Houston on a business trip .... why I am spending so much time on this forum .... don't get that either ?

Anyhow gotta go to work !!!

[Derek1]

Originally Posted by bale002

Yes, Miami is a world city as measured by such indicators as trade volume passing through its ports - yes concentrated in trade with Latin America - the finance and insurance industry supporting trade and real estate in particular, the presence of multi-nationals, mainly sales offices for Latin America, the diplomatic presence, not only Latin American, but also European and others.

In short, in the context of the globalized economy, coastal Miami - Brickell and Coral Gables in particular - is one niche link in this global chain, but it is exposed to several major risks, both natural and political (domestic and foreign), a world class coastal city that appears increasingly divorced from life in the "hinterland" so to speak, not only, say, from what agricultural life used to be in Dade County, but also from life in such suburbs as Kendall: the world of the Brickell diplomat and the Papa John's waitress in Kendall are two different worlds.

Now, in the context of the financial chaos that reigns throughout the US because of years of dirt cheap credit, among other things, Miami blows because, unless you are a relatively important figure in "world city" complex mentioned above already making serious money, the cost of living is extremely high and, in short, there is little value for the money.

Now, some people find this "little" value to be more valuable than what they otherwise know or have access to.

For other people, there are better places to live.

A global, mostly coastal, urban elite, exploiting and/or neglecting the surrounding underclass and hinterland, in the context of booming trade, is really nothing new in history, it is a phenomenon that reappears cyclically, and we happen to be in one of those cycles.

Miami will "make it" as a world city if globalization continues and Latin America continues to be part of that process.

But it faces two major types of risks.

First, political, both international (the turn to the "left" in certain South American countries, for example) and domestic (corruption and incompetence at the local government level may destroy whatever competitive advantages Miami enjoys as a niche in the economic globalization chain).

Second, natural. A category 4 or 5 hurricane could send Miami back to the pre-industrial era in a matter of hours, or, as result of global warming, if you believe in that sort of thing, whole swathes of southern Florida could sink below sea level again (check out the region's geological history).

So Miami is especially great if you are gainfully connected to the "world city complex" mentioned above and you have major assets in another part of the world.

Miami blows if you are any less than that and you know the difference.

Miami is probably neutral if you don't.

It seems that the very unhappy people in Miami are those with no connection with the "world city complex", with no connection with Latin American culture, and know that, in this social context, there is little or no value here for whatever portfolio or assets, quantity of money, and size of income they may have, great or small.

Wow .... don't know if you came up with that yourself or if it is researched data but either way .... excellent !!!!

[CiXeL]

doggiebus, for the last 2 days we've been trying to get some information on when theyre going to fix out mailbox and to file a report. they keep passing the buck from agency to agency. no one apparently seems to give a crap.
thats miami for you.


"why do you guys seem to take such an intolerant posture when others do express like for Miami"

because they provide clearly unrealistic views of how life is here.
its like someone running around telling you the sky is green when all you have to do is look outside and see that its blue.
i believe its because they have something financial to gain (like selling realestate theyre losing money on) or because they cant admit to themselves the poor decision they made moving here.

[bale002]

Originally Posted by Derek1

Wow .... don't know if you came up with that yourself or if it is researched data but either way .... excellent !!!!

A little bit of both. The bit about trade and the rest of the business/diplomatic mix in Miami and the city's place in US and global trade is more or less researched data.

My impressions about the "global city complex", which could apply, though with different nuances, to Shanghai, for example, or any number of emerging cities in the global economy, are based on my own international and intercontinental experiences and knowledge of history and economics.

The elite of the emerging "global city complex" have no interest in the "nostalgia" of the former middle classes of the United States and western Europe. They are interested in an amorphous mass of underclass people with just enough money to spend on material things but not enough to educate themselves to the point where they realize that the quality of life could be a lot better than what it actually is.

They say ignorance is bliss, and that's why the vestiges of the former middle classes, with enough money to have been educated but not enough to make a difference in shaping the course of social developments in the world, are suffering from this "nostalgic" look back about what used to be - the golden age of the middle class - and may never be again in human history.

[CiXeL]

"They say ignorance is bliss, and that's why the vestiges of the former middle classes, with enough money to have been educated but not enough to make a difference in shaping the course of social developments in the world, are suffering from this "nostalgic" look back about what used to be - the golden age of the middle class - and may never be again in human history."

they squeeze the middle class too hard and the underclass will raid their gated communities and kill them. if it comes to that at least the history of revolution in latin american peoples will come in handy.

[Southfloridamiamian]

Yea middle class kendall isnt the most populouse place in miami dade? 600,000 people