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Old 06-12-2010, 10:08 PM
 
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I would love to see the summer (I don't think Miami could be a winter Olympics destination LOL) Olympics come to Miami.

Is anyone aware of committees trying to attract the summer games to Miami?

The canoe/kayak events being held in Biscayne Bay, along with rowing and sailing would be really cool.

Having the triathlon go from Biscayne Bay, biking down Miami Beach and the finishing with running across the MacArthur into downtown would also be spectacular.

Tennis over at Key Biscayne.

Miami really has a lot of Olympic potentials.

Can we start a grass roots movement to go for the 2024 games? They could either be held in October which would be a good jolt before the winter begins, or at the end of spring in late April, early May.



Words to live by, right, Harry?
I think you need to read into how well Olympics generally do financially. I'll save you the time: even with the amount of tourist dollars brought in most of them still operate at a loss. And having it in the US is not like having it somewhere like Beijing--Miami would be completely on its own in funding the thing. I sure as hell don't want to be part of bankrupting Miami-Dade County so we can have a giant sports event that will be a traffic and security nightmare.
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Old 06-13-2010, 06:27 AM
 
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Mia could organise & host the 1st Watersports World Games,all kinds of water-related sports,from canoe-kayak to sailboating,motorboating,skiing,PWC racing...

That's a realistic proposal...
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Old 06-13-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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I think you need to read into how well Olympics generally do financially. I'll save you the time: even with the amount of tourist dollars brought in most of them still operate at a loss. And having it in the US is not like having it somewhere like Beijing--Miami would be completely on its own in funding the thing. I sure as hell don't want to be part of bankrupting Miami-Dade County so we can have a giant sports event that will be a traffic and security nightmare.
I'm aware that the games aren't necessarily money makers, but improvements in infrastructure isn't a lost benefit.

Interesting commentary here,
Do Olympic Host Cities Ever Win? - Room for Debate Blog - NYTimes.com

Note especially the Atlanta one.

Miami needs a new football stadium, there's no denial about it. Roger Goodell has said Miami has fallen by the wayside even with improvements to Dolphin Stadium (or whatever the name is now... Sun Life, Sun Country, whatever)

My idea is Overtown become the new home to the stadium. The county owns many public housing projects in Overtown, so some of the land is already avaliable. Other lots and homes have low price tags.

Overtown is connected to Metrorail in two spots already, the Overtown Station and Culmer Station. It is also right next to Downtown Miami.

There's a total of almost 200 acres in Overtown.

The stadium could be built for multiple purposes, football, soccer, track and field, etc.

The stadium should also be built with one of the four sides being very low, i.e.- no seating there and an Olympic Village could be built there. The reason the one side would be low is so the high rise buildings built there would have views inside the stadium (when the roof was open, at least. An agreement that in non-inclement weather the roof would have to stay open would be in the operating agreement)

Once the Olympics were done, units could be sold off. Imagine how much corporations or even individuals would pay for a high rise condo over looking the field. You would have front row luxury for every game, whether that would be a Dolphins game, the Superbowl, Olympics, World Cup, etc. Suites inside the stadium would also be built.

Additionally, the area between the new stadium and the new Marlins park would be improved for pedestrian activity and a Metrorail line could be built from the current Metrorail line, down the Dolphin Expressway, down NW 17th Ave, then down Flagler, connecting into Government Center on the ghost track. Obviously more Metrorail expansion would be best there, but that could be a bare minimum. I'm sure the Federal Government would foot the bill for much of that.

The Aquatics facility could be a public/private partnership built on Watson Island. Since it would be built from scratch, plans could be made for, once the Olympics are over, converting it into a large water park. Tourist love water parks.

The rail line (I always favor Metromover) going across the bay to Miami Beach would have a stop there.

I believe Miami has a lot of potential for the Olympics. There would be no facilities (like past Olympics) where the stadiums just sat dark. Everything in Miami could have a viable use for once the Olympics were done.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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Summer Oly Games are very expensive...
All socialist nations which hosted them,drank taxpayers' blood & run a net loss...

Only USA managed to just break even ...

Summer Olys is too much for a city of 400K pop... Atlanta was a political decision,to honour the blacks...

No such small city has ever hosted Olys before...

Only the big 3 in USA ( NYC,CH,LA) can host Olys with a chance of financial success...

However,my proposal for a new event,the Watersports World Games is realistic & Mia can run such an event without loss...even with some profit...
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Coconut Grove, Miami
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I'm aware that the games aren't necessarily money makers, but improvements in infrastructure isn't a lost benefit.

Interesting commentary here,
Do Olympic Host Cities Ever Win? - Room for Debate Blog - NYTimes.com

Note especially the Atlanta one.

Miami needs a new football stadium, there's no denial about it. Roger Goodell has said Miami has fallen by the wayside even with improvements to Dolphin Stadium (or whatever the name is now... Sun Life, Sun Country, whatever)

My idea is Overtown become the new home to the stadium. The county owns many public housing projects in Overtown, so some of the land is already avaliable. Other lots and homes have low price tags.

Overtown is connected to Metrorail in two spots already, the Overtown Station and Culmer Station. It is also right next to Downtown Miami.

There's a total of almost 200 acres in Overtown.

The stadium could be built for multiple purposes, football, soccer, track and field, etc.

The stadium should also be built with one of the four sides being very low, i.e.- no seating there and an Olympic Village could be built there. The reason the one side would be low is so the high rise buildings built there would have views inside the stadium (when the roof was open, at least. An agreement that in non-inclement weather the roof would have to stay open would be in the operating agreement)

Once the Olympics were done, units could be sold off. Imagine how much corporations or even individuals would pay for a high rise condo over looking the field. You would have front row luxury for every game, whether that would be a Dolphins game, the Superbowl, Olympics, World Cup, etc. Suites inside the stadium would also be built.

Additionally, the area between the new stadium and the new Marlins park would be improved for pedestrian activity and a Metrorail line could be built from the current Metrorail line, down the Dolphin Expressway, down NW 17th Ave, then down Flagler, connecting into Government Center on the ghost track. Obviously more Metrorail expansion would be best there, but that could be a bare minimum. I'm sure the Federal Government would foot the bill for much of that.

The Aquatics facility could be a public/private partnership built on Watson Island. Since it would be built from scratch, plans could be made for, once the Olympics are over, converting it into a large water park. Tourist love water parks.

The rail line (I always favor Metromover) going across the bay to Miami Beach would have a stop there.

I believe Miami has a lot of potential for the Olympics. There would be no facilities (like past Olympics) where the stadiums just sat dark. Everything in Miami could have a viable use for once the Olympics were done.

Just my 2 cents.
Beautiful, just beautiful. ***MOD CUT***

Anyway, what you posted was great! You should really think about giving out your opinions to the city. That's one thing people should do, people that have ideas should not just keep them to themselves or just post it here, they should give it to the city and let the city know of your ideas and what can be done. That's one thing all the people that have idead should do, it's really important and your ideas might be used, and imagine how great it would be for Miami and for you, imagine how Miami would change . You really should do this. And if you ever go to a meeting, let your opinions be known, don't just sit there listening, tell them everything! The city can't ignore things if they are pressured. That's one beautiful thing about cities, no matter what, under pressure they will crack .

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Old 06-13-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Coconut Grove, Miami
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Miami21 is a monument of unrealistic bureaucratic utopian brainf*rt...

It is already dead...in the water...

At least,by settling down in Mia I could help the municipality with...greek statistics ...

They will unveil the 1st ever budget surplus... (joke-it can only be so ) ...
Ummm no it's not. Miami21 is official, it's already been officially implemented. We need Miami21, it's for the better of Miami and everything that has to do with Miami, including it's residents. It's one of the best codes in the States, and has been praised by pretty everyone and has one many awards. It's here to stay.
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Old 06-13-2010, 05:45 PM
 
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Summer Oly Games are very expensive...
All socialist nations which hosted them,drank taxpayers' blood & run a net loss...

Only USA managed to just break even ...

Summer Olys is too much for a city of 400K pop... Atlanta was a political decision,to honour the blacks...

No such small city has ever hosted Olys before...

Only the big 3 in USA ( NYC,CH,LA) can host Olys with a chance of financial success...

However,my proposal for a new event,the Watersports World Games is realistic & Mia can run such an event without loss...even with some profit...
I'm stunned you would say something so racist as "to honour the blacks" Shame on you.

Miami proper is only about 400K, but the Miami metro is much, much larger. That's what counts.

I'm surprised you think only NYC, Chicago and LA can host the games when Atlanta not only hosted them, but did so with much corporate money. For being against 'socialism' you should be all for this type of funding.

Miami also needs a new stadium if they're going to continue to be competitive in hosting large events, namely the Superbowl.

Overtown is a blighted area, and its proximity to Downtown Miami is a thorn in the cities side. I'm not saying kick everyone out and have them fend for themselves, but rather disburse the concentrated public housing there throughout the city, thus cutting down on crime and neighborhood degradation.

Putting a new stadium in Overtown gives it good access to I95, Metrorail and also cleans up an area that needs to be cleaned.

The Olympic Village/stadium overview concept would help the city/county/event recoup some of the losses it has in hosting and building for the Olympics. Granted housing prices in Miami are down now, but come 2024, I don't anticipate them to be so low. Additionally, it creates a premium area in an area where not much else can be done to make it appealing (since it's sandwiched between the Dolpin Expressway and 95)

I believe the problem with past Olympics is there was no thought as to what the majority of structures purposes would be after the games were done. Miami would fix this by using the stadium for major events, the Dolphins, etc. and like I said before, an aquatics complex that could be used for tourism/recreational purposes.

There's more structures than just those two that need to be built, but I'm confident the city could find a use for others they build as well.

Having the federal government come in and assist with funding things like improved mass transit would finally get the city up and moving, not only helping residents, but also luring more corporations and business to the area.



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Beautiful, just beautiful. I had posted something but it got deleted by of course Doggiebus because he didn't like what I post and was against how he feels...oops, I mean it was flaming . I would the last line could have been flaming but all of it was deleted...of course .

Anyway, what you posted was great! You should really think about giving out your opinions to the city. That's one thing people should do, people that have ideas should not just keep them to themselves or just post it here, they should give it to the city and let the city know of your ideas and what can be done. That's one thing all the people that have idead should do, it's really important and your ideas might be used, and imagine how great it would be for Miami and for you, imagine how Miami would change . You really should do this. And if you ever go to a meeting, let your opinions be known, don't just sit there listening, tell them everything! The city can't ignore things if they are pressured. That's one beautiful thing about cities, no matter what, under pressure they will crack .
Thanks, JL. Ideas can certainly be given to the city, but as you said, under pressure people crack.

As Gandhi said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world"

We need to get large groups together to focus on all projects the city needs to become better.
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Old 06-13-2010, 06:43 PM
 
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Only a troubled mind would suggest that the phrase ..."to honour the blacks " is...racist.... I would say...on the contrary...

The 1996 Olys in Atlanta were indeed awarded to honour the blacks...
Almost all delegates of African countries voted for ATL...

Now,pharaonic pie-in -the sky projects for the little Mia of 400K can only bring ...justified sarcasm...
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:20 AM
 
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Only a troubled mind would suggest that the phrase ..."to honour the blacks " is...racist.... I would say...on the contrary...

The 1996 Olys in Atlanta were indeed awarded to honour the blacks...
Almost all delegates of African countries voted for ATL...

Now,pharaonic pie-in -the sky projects for the little Mia of 400K can only bring ...justified sarcasm...
I think its funny when people refer to Miami as a city of 400k people. So basically everyone outside of the city limits just doesn't exist????

If you look at just the population of the city then Atlanta only has about 500k people and heck Boston only has about 600k people. How silly would it be to go around and describe Boston as a city of 600k people??? That would make Columbus, Ohio bigger than Boston at about 700k people.

Referring to the number of people simply by who lives inside of an arbitrary city or county line is pretty ridiculous which is why we use MSA's.
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Old 06-14-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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As a newcomer,allow me to say that MSA are euphemisms with no real life & real economy significance.
An exaggeration...
A metropolis is an area like a disk,within 1 hour drive...That's the limit between commute &...traveling...
If a Mia resident gets a job in Ft Laud,he relocates to that city,cannot commute...

No false impressions should be made.
Whoever likes density & masses of people,has the choice of the 3 Gothams...
East -NYC,
Central - CH,
West - LA...

ON the subject,any suggestions other than the notorious money loser & city bankrupter Olympic Games..?
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