08-26-2010, 10:03 PM
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That is NOT from hunting. That problem is from a gun club shooting in one area for 60 years. Nobody is saying that lead isn't a toxin or that it isn't dangerous. What people are saying is that the amount of lead shot for hunting purposes all over the Country isn't a problem. I know if I go out to a shooting range I am libel to shoot 250-500 rounds or more depending on the firearm I am shooting with. Last time I went hunting I used 1 round out of a .270, and then recovered the bullet with the animal. You are trying to compare apples and oranges with using the clean-up problem faced by Elk Rapids as a comparison to the danger/problem with using lead bullets for hunting.
In linking to the Elk Rapids story I'm not trying to make a case for lead pollution from
hunting in any way, as that's not what the story is about. I'm merely pointing out that lead ammo CAN be a pollution problem in some situations like a gun club or waterfowl hunting wiht lead shot in certain areas. Duck hunters seem to be doing just fine without lead, despite the near hysterical predictions of the end of that sport.
I don't think there's any more of a chance that hunting activity will cause widespread lead pollution than there is that Obama will be knocking on your door to confiscate your guns or ammo. Ain't gonna happen, and the fear is not based in reality.
Earlier someone pointed at bald eagle population increases as a benefit derived from hunters. While some hunting money was/is used for eagle habitat and breeding, the return of the birds has far, far more to do with the banning of DDT, which didn't kill eagles but thinned their eggshells to the point that they rarely survived to hatching time.
Hunters are generally good citizens and fine people as far as the natural world is concerned, but they didn't save the eagles.
08-26-2010, 10:08 PM
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I've handled more lead in my years of shooting and handloading and with no ill effects than any environmentalist would dare compare. Not to mention all the sinkers I've handled since I was 4yrs old. Shoot, I should be dead by now. Have you ever used "split shot" from back in the day? I used to bite them closed with my teeth. Every day during summer. Every year of my childhood.
Well good for you. Go ahead and eat some more split shots...it's up to you. You probably played wiht the lead-based tinsel used on Christmas trees if you're an old fart like me. So what?
Get a test for heavy metals and see what that shows. Nothing, I hope. Unless your poisoning was acute you'd probably not know there was a problem, but that doesn't mean there aren't negative and dangerous effects, paticularly with the nervous system and brain.
08-26-2010, 10:10 PM
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08-26-2010, 11:09 PM
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No symptoms
08-28-2010, 07:51 AM
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08-28-2010, 08:17 AM
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No, stop eating seafood. That'll solve the problem. I'd gladly give up a few shrimp before giving up my firearms.
Well that proves you're a gun nut. Got it.
08-28-2010, 09:25 AM
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Well that proves you're a gun nut. Got it.
Better than just a nut
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08-28-2010, 10:14 AM
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Well that proves you're a gun nut. Got it.
Yeppers. I love to exercise my rights and my marksmanship on a regular basis. Love to accurize my rifles, reload my own ammo.....and shoot fairly long distances.
I am a gun nut....and a patriot.
08-30-2010, 08:27 PM
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Yeppers. I love to exercise my rights and my marksmanship on a regular basis. Love to accurize my rifles, reload my own ammo.....and shoot fairly long distances.
Missing one big point in all of this. The EPA has no authority under the Constitution to ban or regulate anything. What if we all just said no?
08-30-2010, 09:25 PM
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I'd rather be a shrimp nut...in general the company is better and the conversation more interesting.
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