Is White Flight Right? (Detroit, Flint: rent, lease, work)

[rmccain]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

Would you describe this closed-mindedness, bigotry and seperatism? I've never been aware of it.

What, look out your window and view your surroundings.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by rmccain

What, look out your window and view your surroundings.

I've known Detroit and the suburbs for many years. I would not use small-minded, bigoted and seperatist to describe it. However, in spite of what I perceive to be dismissiveness, I continue to accept that I may not fully understand the intent when using such words. Therefore, I'm asking an individual who's making accusations to explain them.

Do you prefer to lodge accusations that are little more than name calling or do you prefer to express your opinion in a way that's understood by the population you're likely attacking?

[rmccain]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

I've known Detroit and the suburbs for many years. I would not use small-minded, bigoted and seperatist to describe it. However, in spite of what I perceive to be dismissiveness, I continue to accept that I may not fully understand the intent when using such words. Therefore, I'm asking an individual who's making accusations to explain them.

Do you prefer to lodge accusations that are little more than name calling or do you prefer to express your opinion in a way that's understood by the population you're likely attacking?

The post speaks for itself, and I do not have to fight with you, explain yourself. What do you see, where do you live? why do you describe Detroit as being, I wonder?

What do you think Black people think of white people in the suburbs or Detroit, ones that love to use the "D" symbol but attack the residents by name calling. You're telling me you don't see the separatism. Well, I suggest you take off the rose colored glasses maybe you can see more clearly my friend.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by rmccain

The post speaks for itself, and I do not have to fight with you, explain yourself. What do you see, where do you live? why do you describe Detroit as being, I wonder?

What do you think Black people think of white people in the suburbs or Detroit, ones that love to use the "D" symbol but attack the residents by name calling. You're telling me you don't see the separatism. Well, I suggest you take off the rose colored glasses maybe you can see more clearly my friend.

Of course you don't have to explain yourself... You're free to sling accusations without justifying them. I just figured if you wanted to convince anyone of anything, you'd express in a way that is understandable to those you're trying to convince... unless, of course, I'm way off and you're just complaining with no goal... which would be something common to Detroit... it's not about the outcome, but about the culture of crying with no desire for improvement... or atleast no desire to do the work required for change.

I don't know what black people think of white people. I know what some think. Being with a black woman and living in and out of Detroit gives me a special awareness of racism predominant with the blacks I've encountered. However, I wouldn't be so bold as to assume that all black people are racist with a sense of entitlement simply based on their skin color.

[deslok]

I never said you were judgemental jerk. I said I would prefer not to talk to someone that is. Google the name Troy Deal and Battle Creek, you will see it is also youth pastors that have a problem with keeping there hands off young children.
Either way, white flight is prevelant, as is flight in general from Michigan. I don't have the answers, as it seems that there are a few classes of people all operating by different sets of rules.

[rmccain]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

Of course you don't have to explain yourself... You're free to sling accusations without justifying them. I just figured if you wanted to convince anyone of anything, you'd express in a way that is understandable to those you're trying to convince... unless, of course, I'm way off and you're just complaining with no goal... which would be something common to Detroit... it's not about the outcome, but about the culture of crying with no desire for improvement... or atleast no desire to do the work required for change.

I don't know what black people think of white people. I know what some think. Being with a black woman and living in and out of Detroit gives me a special awareness of racism predominant with the blacks I've encountered. However, I wouldn't be so bold as to assume that all black people are racist with a sense of entitlement simply based on their skin color.

Your post and the others that I have read so far have nothing but negativity and blantant hatred. I have read post from other states and Michigan shows the most hatred by white folks so far. I am so happy and proud to be a black woman I love the skin I am in and I love the fact that I have a soul that does not carry such bitterness towards others and yet, never walked a day in another person shoes, never know what discrimination feels like, not know what nepatism really means because one has gotten by on color alone. Again take off the rose colored glasses maybe you or your friends can see a little clearer

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by rmccain

Your post and the others that I have read so far have nothing but negativity and blantant hatred. I have read post from other states and Michigan shows the most hatred by white folks so far. I am so happy and proud to be a black woman I love the skin I am in and I love the fact that I have a soul that does not carry such bitterness towards others and yet, never walked a day in another person shoes, never know what discrimination feels like, not know what nepatism really means because one has gotten by on color alone. Again take off the rose colored glasses maybe you or your friends can see a little clearer

Maybe we just communicate differently because of the way we were raised? What you consider hatred, we consider constructive criticism.

Is that possible? What you consider soul, I consider childish romanticism.

Why can't we just be different without color being relevant to you?

[lfsr1544]

Originally Posted by PolyphonicSpr33

Columbians import and deal it. I didn't say they all did, nor are they the only ones who do..

Actually, your statement isn't quite correct. Colombians and Mexicans and Americans, etc. import it and deal it. Best of all, 80% of the cocaine that comes from Colombia comes to none other then Uncle Sam. Surely, you can blame the distributor. But as long as there is a high demand (from Paris Hilton to the bum on the street), there will always be a supplier.
sorry to get off-topic.

[hairmetal4ever]

Originally Posted by Mr. 248

I've been reading so many posts and seeing so many white people voice opinions that would regularly be kept at the kitchen dinner table with their families in the confines of their own homes. However, because anyone can hide behind a screenname and speak their minds, it shows me how divided the city of Detroit is. I've been living in Southfield most of my life and I just cannot understand why so many WHITE, yes WHITE people feel threatened by the city? Is it so hard to believe that civilized middle to upperclassed BLACKS can live competently in an environment with whites as well without turning it into a "Ghetto?" And by the way, that term seems to just be a code for a predominantly black area, no matter the property values or upkeep. If rap music is heard playing loudly it is a "ghetto." If rock music is heard playing loudly, it is considered to root from the rebellious youth of white suburbia. I am not a racist, before someone calls me one. I went to private school all my life, and was surrounded at all times by more white than black. I'VE EVEN DATED A BEAUTIFUL WHITE WOMAN, however - it seems that no matter what black people do to prove themselves, white America still does not trust us.

Please defend yourselves.

It's the school systems.

That's the main issue. White parents see a mostly black school and, rightly or wrongly, assume it's either unsafe or academically challenged, or both.

However, the reasons for that belief are twofold - partly rooted in prejudice, either malicious or subconscious, and also, statistics that show that
a majority black school district almost always underperforms a majority white one - even for the same socioeconomic conditions in the district. For some reason, one that we cannot yet determine, statistically it tends to be true.

[pirate_lafitte]

I am going to be honest: Michigan has a big racial problem and it's raw as uncooked steak. It's there and there is not too much to the imagination. Anyone thinkging about moving to the Atlanta area, do kid yourself. You'll find the same problems there as in Michigan. The only difference is now Michigan's problems are like dirty laundry in the yard for all to see. You can smell it too. In Atlanta the garbage is buried and you'll eventually smell it. Michigan is also suffering from job losses. Anytime the economy goes bad, other issues will come to the surface. This problem isn't specific to Michigan.
It goes both ways. Many blacks don't like whites. Many committ crimes. Many make excuses. Many whites don't like blacks. Many also committ crimes. Many make excuses. What I also notice is that there are less blacks so the proportions will be higher. And I am talking about every crime from credit card fraud to murder of the most heinous kind. The reason for "white flight" as I see it: A complication of reasons. Yes there have been black people who didn't keep their lawns and their children in line. I will not deny that. I have seen it for myself. With that said, I have seen some whites do the same thing. Let whoever did whatever be held accountable. With all of that in mind, there are also historical problems. Before the late 60's and early 70's, there was something called a restrictive covenant. This meant that if you were not white, you wouldn't be welcomed to by a house in a certain area. Those restrictions came down in the 1960's and 1970's. There were many whites who didn't want blacks(or anyone else who wasn't white) in their neighborhood no matter if they would cause trouble or not. There were black families that moved in and kept their houses presentable and kept their children in line. There were also black families who let their children run wild and let their yards lay waste. It was the people who let their yards lay waste and their children run wild that stuck out like a sore thumb and human nature always picks out what sticks out. How was it handled: Many left and sold their houses fearing property values going down.
Fast foward to the 80's 90's and now. There were many blacks who did move to the suburbs and caused some problems and caused crime rates to go up. That I will admit. There were also blacks who didn't cause trouble when they went to the suburbs. Many minorities moved into certain places with the attitude of "I am in the minority and I am the one who must look squeaky clean so that I don't cause trouble and ruin it for anyone else like me who wants to come." There are somw people who move in with an attitude of "I don't care what anyone thinks, I do as I please and I don't care who uncomfortable I make the neighbors." Nowadays "white flight" also consists of minorities looking for safer places to live. In short, prejudice and bad behaviour go twofold. I have seen it for myself.