Is White Flight Right? (Detroit, Southfield: housing, rent, income)

[trudawg]

One thousand, your walking around the issue at hand. No one is trying to prove you wrong, just clarifying what was said..........man I'd hate to be your wife on the other side of an argument.......lol

And if you re-read my post I sated cleary Whites don't undersand and "Vice-Versus" which meant both races don't fully understand the reasoning for "white flight" and/or "playing the race card" as some put it.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by trudawg

You can debate about this back and forth all you want. The point is Sububanites NEED to feel that inner-city's are crime-ridden and horrible to justify within themselves the reason they pay 5 times as much for a home, and commute 2-3 hours each day.

The first sentence implies there's no real reason to discuss the issue. It's a relativist assertion followed by an ideological contradiction. It doesn't matter that the reasoning was applied fairly across races, what matters is that reason was invalidated from the start, IMO.

Originally Posted by td

...your walking around the issue at hand. No one is trying to prove you wrong, just clarifying what was said...

Yeah, I'm trying to stay on topic for the most part.

Proving me wrong wasn't a consideration.

Would you answer the question?

[Paddington]

It's a moot point. Black people don't want to live in Detroit either, and have been fleeing the city in large numbers for decades.

[Huntsville_secede]

Originally Posted by One Thousand

The first sentence implies there's no real reason to discuss the issue. It's a relativist assertion followed by an ideological contradiction. It doesn't matter that the reasoning was applied fairly across races, what matters is that reason was invalidated from the start, IMO.



Yeah, I'm trying to stay on topic for the most part.

Proving me wrong wasn't a consideration.

Would you answer the question?

Whatever happened to TruDawg's suggestion of MTFO.. I think its a really good idea since this discussion has become pointless and is going nowhere.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by Huntsville_secede

Whatever happened to TruDawg's suggestion of MTFO.. I think its a really good idea since this discussion has become pointless and is going nowhere.

I like the topic. I'm really interested in getting a reasonable perspective from those who claim "flight" from cesspools is race related.

[CUDDLEBOO]

ok um ya i think it is we should be equal. i mean it dont matter the color of you r skin we all are the same, voilent, have kids out of widlock.
i have 6friends that already had at least 1 kid and are white and aren't married and the father to their kids are white too. so its hard to say that one type or color of person is a bad influence. take a look at this if you state that black peopel are a bad influence on white people then what would the people in a relationship think when one is black and the other is white, say this doesnt just effect the world but also relationships i should know.

[One Thousand]

Originally Posted by CUDDLEBOO

ok um ya i think it is we should be equal. i mean it dont matter the color of you r skin we all are the same, voilent, have kids out of widlock.
i have 6friends that already had at least 1 kid and are white and aren't married and the father to their kids are white too. so its hard to say that one type or color of person is a bad influence. take a look at this if you state that black peopel are a bad influence on white people then what would the people in a relationship think when one is black and the other is white, say this doesnt just effect the world but also relationships i should know.

That's what I say. If you've seen "Redneck Wedding," that shows a parade of people I wouldn't live around.

[vivkrn]

Originally Posted by fopt65

Your post's title caught my eye. I am not from Detroit, and can't answer specifically about that city, but have lived in NYC and been part of the white flight of the 70's in that area.
For us, it just became a question of numbers. When you become that statistical minority in an area that you grew up in, you start to feel like an outsider. Familiar stores change and become representative of the new majority. Same thing with the local churches and schools. So, now what do you do? You are living in an area that isn't yours anymore. Do you want to continue living in an area that you resent, or do you start new in a different area that has a resemblance to your old area?
I think most of the flight is due to the fact that most people want to live in an area where they feel comfortable and where they fit in.

I am not from Detroit nor am I from NYC, but I have to say one thing. Blacks have been a minority in multiple areas in this country forever and they deal with it. I grew up in an area of Jersey that was predominately white, after moving from a predominately Black area of Newark. My parents wanted something better for the family. What begins as a rough situation eventually becomes the familiar. Resent is a very strong word. I wonder how many minorities feel this way about the entire country. Not all change is bad. Maybe we should stop running away from those things which disrupt our comfort levels and rather embrace them and grow.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

Black majority schools (not necessarily elementary, but rather middle and high) do poorly because the kids generally have little respect for learning, education, and authority.

I've taught in predominately black schools and predominately white schools, and the idea of blacks doing poorly because of a "stigma" is pure nonsense.

Assuming the lack of respect for authority and learning is the case, where does it come from?(besides BET)?

[Bhaalspawn]

Instead of worrying about white people not wanting to live near them, might blacks be better served by trying to focus on changing their culture so that they wouldn't mind if whites didn't want to live in their neighborhoods? Might it be more productive to try to end teen, unmarried, and impoverished pregnancy, end drug use, eliminate crime from the community, and to raise youngsters to be well-educated, model citizens? Why not try to transform the black community so that black communities set a new standard for safety, rationality, and good schools?

Of course, that's more easily said than done, but I think it's the only real solution. I can only imagine just how frustrated community activists who are trying to accomplish that must be. However, instead of depending on and hoping for white people to rescue the black community, blacks are going to have to do it themselves.

To change the focus of this thread a bit, perhaps an alternative topic might be, "Is using government force to end white flight right?" "Is it right to force people who don't want to live together to live together?" We've seen how well that's worked in the Balkans and Iraq.