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Old 06-26-2008, 12:33 AM
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makes sense beats gettin shot.
people try to protect their kids
that seems natural.
i guess my statements about yuppies (bad choice of label you are right) is all
the successful black people i know dont live
on the rough side of town if they do its the very
very nice part of the rough side of town zero
tolerance for gang behavior been there seen that
people better themselves. i don't like to color code it.
you get a good job you get some money you make
things better. just like me. no different, no?
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Actually, African immigrants do better in terms of education in this country than ANY other group of people, Asians included. They have a higher percentage of people with college degrees. Look it up for yourself.


As far as Africans trading with Europeans for slaves, the Europeans didn't have to take the slaves, who were more indebted due to warfare, debts and so on in Africa. So treatment might be the thing in terms of slavery here that people are really tripping out about and where it occurred.

Also, to compare different groups because they are of color is not a good indicator of anything due to other factors like history and the terms of arrival. Asians and most Blacks came to America under much different reasons and pretences, in comparison. So, it would be like comparing Apples and Oranges, and unfortunately we still haven't honestly dealt with the issues on those terms unless it is in scandalous ways through the media, at work around the water cooler and in other similar ways.

Anyway, "White Flight" is a real thing in a sense that economics and race seem to be still intertwined here in this country. While many Blacks also move out, it seems like the people that are most likely leaving are White and have the resources to move.

Then, you have the issue of redlining and residential restrictions of many suburbs early on after WW2, which indirectly associated suburban with White, for the overwhelming part of the time. Remember that suburban developments didn't hit the scene until around WW2 on a large scale due to the housing shortage after the war for the families of soldiers.
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Old 06-26-2008, 12:46 AM
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I am a white person, and I just want to clarify that upfront. And if you want a true and honest understanding of why white people do anything that we do, it is best explained in a book written by Shelby Steele called "White Guilt". He also wrote a book called the "Content of Charachter". He is tremendous in his insight (being a black man who was raised by a white mother). If both whites and blacks would read these books, and be honest with themselves, then we could enjoy breaking that glass barrier we all know is there, but refuse to acknowledge when in mixed racial settings. We pretend it doesn't exist, but we are just playing a game that will never end the extremely tiresome dance on eggshells. Please look into it!
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:00 AM
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Immigrants from africa have the highest amount of college education . This is immigrants who recently moved from africa .The amount of africans from africa who have immigrated from africa too america is extremely small . The african immigration wave too america is drastically smaller than that of other groups such as asians , hispanics and eastern europeans . African americans that make up almost the whole american population have a low rate of college graduates .


the africans who come too america are the highest cream of the crop of africa . The wave of african immigrants too america is very small . Many of them come to america just for education .


-Although the African immigrant population actually has the highest educational attainment of any group in the United States, they represent a small group

The education of African Americans lags behind those of other U.S. ethnic groups, such as European Americans and Asian Americans, as reflected by test scores, grades, urban high school graduation rates, rates of disciplinary action, and rates of conferral of undergraduate degrees


Asian Americans, whose parents have the highest rate of education, attend college at the highest rates, while African Americans at about half the rate of whites, and Hispanics at just 11 percent. It has been noted that far more African American women attend and complete college than men, a trend that is now also true of the general population to a lesser extent.
Completed 4 years of college age 25-29 (1998) [3]
White Black Hispanic Asian
29% 14% 11% 50%


Iqs: In America
Whites (mean = 101.4, SD = 14.7) were higher than those for Blacks (mean = 86.9, SD = 13.0); distributions for Hispanics (mean = 91), East Asians (mean = 106), and Ashkenazi Jews (mean = 112-115)


The differences in these iq's are fact . But my question is what can we do about it? Is there anything we can do? It seems doubtiful .


the iq's in the countries in the world reflect the same iqs!

Can you not see the asian countries generally at the top of the list with the lowest on the list being african countries.


Rank Country IQ estimate Rank Country IQ estimate Rank Country IQ estimate
1 Hong Kong 107 28 Argentina 96 55 Fiji 84
2 South Korea 106 29 Slovakia 96 56 Iran 84
3 Japan 105 30 Uruguay 96 57 Marshall Islands 84
4 Taiwan 104 31 Portugal 95 58 Puerto Rico 84
5 Singapore 103 32 Slovenia 95 59 Egypt 83
6 Austria 102 33 Israel 95 60 India 82
7 Germany 102 34 Romania 95 61 Ecuador 80
8 Italy 102 35 Bulgaria 94 62 Guatemala 79
9 Netherlands 102 36 Ireland 94 63 Barbados 78
10 Sweden 101 37 Greece 94 64 Nepal 78
11 Switzerland 101 38 Malaysia 94 65 Qatar 78
12 Belgium 100 39 Thailand 93 66 Zambia 77
13 China (PRC) 100 40 Croatia 92 67 Republic of the Congo 73
14 New Zealand 100 41 Peru 91 68 Uganda 73
15 United Kingdom 100 42 Turkey 90 69 Jamaica 72
16 Hungary 99 43 Indonesia 90 70 Kenya 72
17 Poland 99 44 Mexico 89 71 South Africa 72
18 Spain 99 45 Suriname 89 72 Sudan 72
19 Australia 98 46 Brazil 87 73 Tanzania 72
20 Denmark 98 47 Iraq 87 74 Ghana 71
21 France 98 48 Colombia 87 75 Nigeria 69
22 Norway 98 49 Samoa 87 76 Guinea 69
23 Finland 98 50 Tonga 87 77 Zimbabwe 68
24 Canada 97 51 Lebanon 86 78 Democratic Republic of the Congo 67
25 Czech Republic 97 52 Philippines 86 79 Sierra Leone 67
26 United States 97 53 Cuba 85 80 Ethiopia 66
27 Russia 96 54 Morocco 85 81 Equatorial Guinea 6


What i notice about iq is . That in general you can see that countries near the poles have much higher iqs on average than countries closer too the equator . In my opinion in cold brutal climates where weather and climate change are the highest demands . high focus and low impulsivity is needed . In hot climates with a much higher amount of predators .High impulsivity is needed more . I believe that these are roots of natural selection . The other thing could be that climate its self changes iq . Hot Weather could make focus much weaker , Also making distractions higher .






-Middle easterners started the slave trade .The middle eastern arab slave trade did soo well , That europeans got ideas from it! Middle easterners conquered africans and brutally converted them too islam . Middle easterners still brutally enslave africans in sudan today ! Africans gave up their own families for slavery . Many african slaves were prisoners of war and africans traded their own people too white people for slavery .

My point is that it came from all different angles . All the groups had just as much too do with slavery as the others .

Slaves were common back then All countries had slaves in the past . Many european whites have been enslaved by other europeans at one time or another .
All over the world slaves were used many of them prisoners of war . Slavery is morally wrong almost everyone knows that . Back than slavery was ccepted as okay world wide . Till this day over 100 million people are enslaved .

Did you know the first slaves in america were the irish?
The irish did not fare well in the malaria infestion in the south and died out .
Than they tried native american slaves . The native american slaves would run off and hide in the mountains and plan ambushes against the slave masters .

The last result was the black slaves : who were able too survive the southern climates and did not run away .

Now slavery is relative . Look at in ireland where they had too work just as hard as the slaves in america. The potato famine came and england did nothing , The irish still attempted too work and many of them starved too death . The slaves at least got shelter and fed . Look at early industrial revolution england . You had kids who worked 18 hour days who got paid wages that could barely afford food or shelter . Many of them could not afford shelter or food , They were on their own they had too work like slaves then attempt too buy food that was barely enough too get by . and still had too work like slaves . At least a slave is usually giving shelter and fed . I think many homeless people today can have it worse than slaves at least slaves knew they would get food water and shelter .
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Actually, African immigrants do better in terms of education in this country than ANY other group of people, Asians included. They have a higher percentage of people with college degrees. Look it up for yourself.


As far as Africans trading with Europeans for slaves, the Europeans didn't have to take the slaves, who were more indebted due to warfare, debts and so on in Africa. So treatment might be the thing in terms of slavery here that people are really tripping out about and where it occurred.

Also, to compare different groups because they are of color is not a good indicator of anything due to other factors like history and the terms of arrival. Asians and most Blacks came to America under much different reasons and pretences, in comparison. So, it would be like comparing Apples and Oranges, and unfortunately we still haven't honestly dealt with the issues on those terms unless it is in scandalous ways through the media, at work around the water cooler and in other similar ways.

Anyway, "White Flight" is a real thing in a sense that economics and race seem to be still intertwined here in this country. While many Blacks also move out, it seems like the people that are most likely leaving are White and have the resources to move.

Then, you have the issue of redlining and residential restrictions of many suburbs early on after WW2, which indirectly associated suburban with White, for the overwhelming part of the time. Remember that suburban developments didn't hit the scene until around WW2 on a large scale due to the housing shortage after the war for the families of soldiers.



- With rural areas dying economically And people flocking from their too big cities . - Now with the major gas crisis . It is cheaper too live in urban centers . Many people like the social connection in big cities . In the technology age where everyone feels more and more isolated cities are looking better and better too regain social connections .
In europe many of the big cities like paris have rich urban centers and the poor live in sprawling outskirts of the big cities .
It will take a long time for this too happen , But all over america their has been a recent flock too rebuild the down towns of cities all over america . Some cities will be quicker than others . The first most likely will be new york . You can already see in new york that the whole island of manhatten is becoming wealthier and wealthier . Now brooklyn and the bronx has many wealthy areas popping up . The ghettos in new york are slowly pushing further and further out , Pushing right out into the suburbs turning suburbs of the past into new slums . The problem is no matter where ghettos are whether it is a high rise tenements or trailor parks . They still seem too have similar problems .
Sadly i think detriot will be one of the last cities too have this happen too .

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The short answer is yes, people have the right to move and live whereever they want for whatever reasons that is important to them.
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The short answer is yes, people have the right to move and live whereever they want for whatever reasons that is important to them.
Agreed!!! I like my 100 acres in the sticks.
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I just saw this thread for the first time.

I think people of any color, ethnicity, religion, creed, or sexuality have every right to exist and move wherever they so choose. Provided – they abide by the laws of the community and respect their neighbors.

I commend any blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, or middle easterners who value their lives, safety and security and dignity to escape the confines of the motor city.

Black people might call me racist for labeling the black-majority city of Detroit a crime-ridden city, but it truly is.

I wouldn't live in any part of Detroit, because the police department is a joke, the fire department is broke and the public schools are one of the worst in the country. It is a dying city, with no hope for "renaissance." Even the mayor is a very obvious gangster who represents the worst of what the city has to offer. I don't see how people can be "proud" of today's Detroit. Is it the rap music that comes from it? Is it 8-mile? Is it 7-mile? Is it the fact that the only businesses that thrive are the liquor stores and crack houses? If it's so great, where are the shopping malls? Where are Krogers and Meijers? Exactly. If even major multi-billion dollar corporations don't want to invest within the city's borders, why would a small financially-humble family (white or not) want to live in Detroit?! I sure as hell don't.

Look at cities like Portland, Austin, Seattle, Boston, etc.. People actually live within the cities' borders without too much fear of carjackings, thugs with no shirts on ready to pounce on you at the gas station (yes this has happened to me), incredibly high murder rates, property crimes through the roof, etc.. If Detroit isn't a cesspool, then what is it? A city on the move? A progressive city full of community spirit? I beg to differ. The most major growth the city has seen in recent times, is three or so casinos swooping in, knowing that this desperate city will certainly roll out the red carpet and bend over backwards for even a modicum of pathetic economic stimulation.

Detroit is nothing more than a breeding ground for "pimpin" and "hustlin" yo. Certainly not a place I see thriving in the next ten years. Unless they discover oil underneath the intersection of Livernois and Joy road.
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Detriot has lost 80 thousand people in 6 years . In a city that it is 80 percent black it is obvious that many of those 80 thousand leaving are black!
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Detriot has lost 80 thousand people in 6 years . In a city that it is 80 percent black it is obvious that many of those 80 thousand leaving are black!
I met a ton of AA here in DC and especially Atlanta...no one wants to live in Detroit...its a city waiting to die from horrible political and business leadership...
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unfortunately mr. 248, you have a narrow mind obsessed with skin color.
Perhaps I would be the same way if I were black.
But that being said, your lack of breadth in the way you think about the
world is sad.
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