[Cliffie]

Originally Posted by Driller1

I sure do not want to live by blacks, or whites, or browns, or greens. So, I keep buying land. It works like a charm....

So are you on one of those 20-acre compounds surrounded by electrified barbed wire and Dobermans?

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by trudawg

I've done this many times, until recently when I taught myself not to "judge people" for the things that I would or wouldn't neccessarily do. This doesn't mean that I'm handing out money like flyers, but in the simplest form it means I refrain from initially passing judgement. I realize this has little bearing on the debate and topic at hand, but you asked how it plays out in real life, and that's just a small example

it sounds like you are an easy target lying in wait. here, in south chicago, you make judgements or you become a victim. it's as easy as that. there's a reason as to why your brain makes quick rational judgements and conclusions. because if it didn't, YOU would be in serious trouble.

of course, this is life in America. if you lived in asia, a zen/buddhist approach (such as yours) would be more acceptable.

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by Cliffie

So are you on one of those 20-acre compounds surrounded by electrified barbed wire and Dobermans?

It's possible that he's not a bigot at all and that he hates everyone equally.

At1WithNature -- thank you for posting the IQ distribution curves graphic. Perhaps we could find more effective means of helping poor third world countries around the world if we had a better understanding of it. In the meantime, you have to wonder what China could do if it could ever fix its economic and overpopulation issues.

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by Cliffie

So are you on one of those 20-acre compounds surrounded by electrified barbed wire and Dobermans?

The land the house is on is 100 acres, surrounded by deer, rabbits and other wildlife. Guarded by a loaded gun at each door.

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn

It's possible that he's not a bigot at all and that he hates everyone equally.

At1WithNature -- thank you for posting the IQ distribution curves graphic. Perhaps we could find more effective means of helping poor third world countries around the world if we had a better understanding of it. In the meantime, you have to wonder what China could do if it could ever fix its economic and overpopulation issues.

Don't worry about China, they buy are debt every day. BTW, he is a she.

[JMadison]

Originally Posted by Mr. 248

I've been reading so many posts and seeing so many white people voice opinions that would regularly be kept at the kitchen dinner table with their families in the confines of their own homes. However, because anyone can hide behind a screenname and speak their minds, it shows me how divided the city of Detroit is. I've been living in Southfield most of my life and I just cannot understand why so many WHITE, yes WHITE people feel threatened by the city? Is it so hard to believe that civilized middle to upperclassed BLACKS can live competently in an environment with whites as well without turning it into a "Ghetto?" And by the way, that term seems to just be a code for a predominantly black area, no matter the property values or upkeep. If rap music is heard playing loudly it is a "ghetto." If rock music is heard playing loudly, it is considered to root from the rebellious youth of white suburbia. I am not a racist, before someone calls me one. I went to private school all my life, and was surrounded at all times by more white than black. I'VE EVEN DATED A BEAUTIFUL WHITE WOMAN, however - it seems that no matter what black people do to prove themselves, white America still does not trust us.

Please defend yourselves.

It's just a matter of playing the odds.

Any *individual* african american person may not worry or frighten whitey, but taken as a group, the statistics are damning.

Of those that feel that way, having dated a white woman is just going to make them hate all the more. Proof positive everything is getting africanized.

Is white flight "right"... no. Why should we have to "take flight".

Because it's the only option allowed. Our legal system won't let non-black enclaves form. Proof? Look at the Somali refugee centers established in Minneapolis/St. Paul and New Hampshire. Seems that traditionally white areas are constantly targeted for such things.

[At1WithNature]

Originally Posted by detshen

I do think it's important that we give a lot of thought to our natural inclinations. Throughout time humans have lived in tribes and we have an instinct to be fearful of people who look different from us. That is natural, understandable, and doesn't make someone a racist or bad person. Humans also have brains that can truly think through an instinctual reaction. A lot of people of all races don't bother to do this, and I find that sad because it will continue the racial divide we have in this country if we just make snap judgements or believe in stereotypes. I encourage people to interact with other races if they can, it can deeply change a person to realize that we all want the same basic things, and underneath our skin we are all just human, much more alike than different.

What planet are you living on? no offense, but you sound like you are straight out of san francisco with that pie in the sky mentality. it's not reality. lots of people haven't lived in tribes for how many thousands of years while some black people still live in tribes in africa but that has no relevance to today's America because nobody lives in tribes in this country unless you are Native American. latinos in south america, although fairly rare, also live in tribes but these are the types of people who have never ate a whopper before. bottomline is people fear certain groups because those groups don't perform up to par of the other group's standards. especially, when it comes to:

respect for authority
education
value structure
crime
respect for community


that's the bottomline. it has nothing to do with how someone looks. if you're from a big city, everywhere you turn there is someone who looks different and people don't cower behind light posts and signs. that's a silly and outdated view point. many groups don't like other groups who don't take care of themselves, their property, and their offspring properly. that's the bottomline, it has nothing to do with how one looks. and it has everything to do with the actions of one group or another one.

[WheredoIlive?]

I lived in the ghetto before. I would never do it again. I dont care what color of skin anyone is, but I hvae seen scary stuff, from being robbed, almost raped, I saw an armed robbery with sawed off shot gun, etc, when I lived in Rogers Park in Chicago. It was hell on earth. I am sure there are people of other races, who want to RUN from these BAD PLACES TOO!

Even now I am scared of Benton Harbor, and I think I have every reason to be. I am not racist but people need to understand there is a reason why people RUN LIKE THE WIND. I may leave ST. Joe so I dont end up scrounging in the ghetto, because I am going to be poor. Id rather be in a small town and poor where I dont have to worry about getting beaten up robbed, harrassed. Being disabled, I am ripe for the picking. I cant run. Imagine what my life would be in a ghetto.

There is a different culture in ghetto and it isnt about race. it is just a dirty criminal place in most cases, dog eat dog, no working together, hustling and nastiness. I have been poor all my life, so dont blame this stuff even on poverty. The crimes, drugs, hatred for education, hustling, oh God, keep me away from it. it is frightening. I have seen too much.

[WheredoIlive?]

bottomline is people fear certain groups because those groups don't perform up to par of the other group's standards. especially, when it comes to:

respect for authority
education
value structure
crime
respect for community


that's the bottomline. it has nothing to do with how someone looks. if you're from a big city, everywhere you turn there is someone who looks different and people don't cower behind light posts and signs

I believe it is a CULTURE difference and RACE more and more is not a determinant. Some of my bad experiences in the ghetto involved all sorts and kinds of people.

I believe when people live in a bad place, there is a give up, dog eat dog mentality and grows on them.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by At1WithNature

What is so ironic about that? you just layed out the ladder of IQ levels.

That was off topic. Even so, have you ever thought that IQ levels could also have to do with which people you test. How many people have been tested?