[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

There is a correlation, but remember that correlation is not causation. Race does not cause someone to committ a crime. Another question you should ask yourself and do some research on is "Why is it that there are so many crimes committed by minorities, or anyone for that matter?"

As for diversity, it doesn't have to be bad. Part of it can be economics. If you have a diverse community and it's middle to middle-upper class, not so many issues.

You're correct. The cause has more to do with socio-economic status than race, gender or creed. As to why so many crimes are committed overall, people are either brought up with a conscience or they're not Add to that a close look at our "leaders, "role models" and "heroes" and nowadays they're more about money and greed than they are about admirable traits to be emulated. Power, money and drugs have replaced honor, integrity and service in all too many cases.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

You're correct. The cause has more to do with socio-economic status than race, gender or creed. As to why so many crimes are committed overall, people are either brought up with a conscience or they're not Add to that a close look at our "leaders, "role models" and "heroes" and nowadays they're more about money and greed than they are about admirable traits to be emulated. Power, money and drugs have replaced honor, integrity and service in all too many cases.

One thing many communities need are better role models. With better role models to look up to, it can inspire other and perhaps sow a seed to a better society.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

There is a correlation, but remember that correlation is not causation. Race does not cause someone to committ a crime. Another question you should ask yourself and do some research on is "Why is it that there are so many crimes committed by minorities, or anyone for that matter?"

As for diversity, it doesn't have to be bad. Part of it can be economics. If you have a diverse community and it's middle to middle-upper class, not so many issues.

What's also ironic about the previous statement is that El Paso has a very low crime rate and has an overwhelmingly high "Hispanic" population. There are other examples like the McKinley Park section of Chicago and San Diego, which isn't as "Hispanic" as El Paso but still has a high Hispanic population and a low crime rate. Same could be said about many other cities and towns with high percentages of "minorities".

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

What's also ironic about the previous statement is that El Paso has a very low crime rate and has an overwhelmingly high "Hispanic" population. There are other examples like the McKinley Park section of Chicago and San Diego, which isn't as "Hispanic" as El Paso but still has a high Hispanic population and a low crime rate. Same could be said about many other cities and towns with high percentages of "minorities".

The reason why people(of any race) committ crimes is complicated and something that can be left for debate. I don't know the exact reason why El Paso has a low crime rate. Perhaps there is a structure of community.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

What's also ironic about the previous statement is that El Paso has a very low crime rate and has an overwhelmingly high "Hispanic" population. There are other examples like the McKinley Park section of Chicago and San Diego, which isn't as "Hispanic" as El Paso but still has a high Hispanic population and a low crime rate. Same could be said about many other cities and towns with high percentages of "minorities".

When you think about it, both are border towns and I believe that changes the dynamics as they have had decades to learn to live as neighbors. By the way, hispanics are by far the majority in El Paso and are also, by far, the largest "minority" in San Diego where caucasians do not constitute a majority.

The original question was, "Is white flight right?" I can't say but I know it occurs and I am soon to be a product of it as I am now a minority in my own city, Sacramento, and am leaving for a place in which I will not be a minority in my own country. I think that politicians pandering for the minority vote have sold out our national character and the country isn't better for it.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

When you think about it, both are border towns and I believe that changes the dynamics as they have had decades to learn to live as neighbors. By the way, hispanics are by far the majority in El Paso and are also, by far, the largest "minority" in San Diego where caucasians do not constitute a majority.

The original question was, "Is white flight right?" I can't say but I know it occurs and I am soon to be a product of it as I am now a minority in my own city, Sacramento, and am leaving for a place in which I will not be a minority in my own country. I think that politicians pandering for the minority vote have sold out our national character and the country isn't better for it.

I think Sacramento is still pluralistically more White than anything else, if I'm not mistaken. Sacramento (city) QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...ord=&_industry=

Also, what exactly is "our national character"? I would be daring to say that people of European descent in the US have been doing that to themselves in this country by assimilating to a point of coming under an umbrella of "Whiteness", eventhough that was not the case for such persons prior to arriving in the US. Meaning, ethnic lines have been so blurred and the knowledge of their places of origin have been declining or lost on so many of European descent in this country, that it wouldn't be anything new to be honest.

It has also been tough to pinpoint a definition of an "American", that it makes the matter much more complex. Hence, the reasoning for my question.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

It has also been tough to pinpoint a definition of an "American", that it makes the matter much more complex. Hence, the reasoning for my question.

Perhaps the definition is simplistically someone who doesn't hyphenate it; especially with "American" coming in last.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Perhaps the definition is simplistically someone who doesn't hyphenate it; especially with "American" coming in last.

That still doesn't account for the reality of the pluralism in this country.

Also, that could mean different things to different people.

[Woodlands]

I wonder if white flight depends on the community? Places like Atlanta and Washington...seems that many affluent blacks choose to live in new subdivisions that have started out as "predominately black".. Prince George's County, MD in particuliar and thus choose not infiltrate as many "predominately white" subdivisions in the area reducing flight? Again this takes into consideration that some communities may be more tolerate than others and thus would not be as prone to flight in the first place particuliarly once you reach certain income brackets.....In fact in DC neighborhoods that were predominately white, then became predominately black, are becoming predominately white?? The term gentrification comes to mind though that is based on income economics.. I guess in racial terms it would be considered "white resettlement" or "white return flight"? THough the flight now may or may not have to do entirely with race but fleeing traffic, sprawl, big lawns, homes that are too big, or hum drum suburbandum....

[Dennuchi46]

mr 248. I am a older white man. I went to a grade school that was catholic and at the time was pure white. Then on to a high school of 2200 students that had less tan 10 black students. Now this was not in Detroit, but within 100 miles of you. I really never had any contact with a black person, untill I reached high school did I really have a notion ,or particular adversity to any one in your race. Rarely was the black race discussed in good or bad in our family or group of friends. So while I attened high school I finally met all of the black students ,strangly who were all males and all in my freshman class. they all played sports . A few made all city teams and all made high marks in grade point averages. I did not attend colledge but went into a 4 year apprentice program. I'll tell you this . As far as I'm concerned the color of the person has not EVER been at issue with me. My wife currently works for the black owner of the company. He is as bright as any person I have met.I have many neighbors that are black. The couple directly across from me are as caring and considerate as any one could ask for. And my whole point is this ...when living in society there are people of every class and color . The problems occur when we don't reguard the people around us. If I do something like play a sterio loudly to the degree that it interfers with what is considered the norm then my neighbor will complain. It has never been color,it has been the quality of their heart and soul. I now have many friends,including blacks and we have discussed these kind of problems that you refer to and I believe that the words that say it best is consideration and respect. I believe that all humans would agree. I have based my attidude on those two words and so far it has payed off in aces.