[edub]

As a CPL holder, there is one thing about our gun laws that confuses me.

I am licensed to carry a concealed pistol. Therefore, it is my Constitutional right to do so. So, how is it possible that an establishment that is open to the public has the right to prohibit me from carrying there?

I would think that because carrying is my right guaranteed by the US Constitution, this is a form of discrimination and should be illegal. After all, you can't post a sign saying "no Mexicans" or "no Blacks."

Now, I understand the notion of private property. But, you can't discriminate even on private property if that property is open to the public. I would think telling someone they need to surrender their Constitutional right ought to be prohibited discrimination.

Anyway, here is a list of anti-gun business' to avoid.


MCRGO - Do Not Patronize while Armed

[ForStarters]

Originally Posted by edub

As a CPL holder, there is one thing about our gun laws that confuses me.

I am licensed to carry a concealed pistol. Therefore, it is my Constitutional right to do so. So, how is it possible that an establishment that is open to the public has the right to prohibit me from carrying there?

I would think that because carrying is my right guaranteed by the US Constitution, this is a form of discrimination and should be illegal. After all, you can't post a sign saying "no Mexicans" or "no Blacks."

Now, I understand the notion of private property. But, you can't discriminate even on private property if that property is open to the public. I would think telling someone they need to surrender their Constitutional right ought to be prohibited discrimination.

Anyway, here is a list of anti-gun business' to avoid.


MCRGO - Do Not Patronize while Armed

It is surprising that most of the gun prohibiting businesses are located in predominately "conservative" areas, while only a few are in typically "liberal" areas like Detroit and Ann Arbor.

[djmilf]

Originally Posted by edub

As a CPL holder, there is one thing about our gun laws that confuses me.

I am licensed to carry a concealed pistol. Therefore, it is my Constitutional right to do so. So, how is it possible that an establishment that is open to the public has the right to prohibit me from carrying there?

All rights are subject to reasonable regulation, including the right to keep and bear arms.

Cases in point:

[1] You DO NOT have the right to carry a weapon while intoxicated
[2] You DO NOT have the right to carry a concealed weapon in an establishment that serves alcohol.
[3] You DO NOT have the right to carry a concealed weapon in a church, synagogue, mosque or any recognized place of worship.

Do I need to go on? You should know these facts from your CCW class that you attended.

I would think that because carrying is my right guaranteed by the US Constitution, this is a form of discrimination and should be illegal. After all, you can't post a sign saying "no Mexicans" or "no Blacks."

While you CAN leave your firearm at home, a black person or a Mexican person can't leave his ethnicity at home.

If you can't see the difference, then maybe others can.

Now, I understand the notion of private property. But, you can't discriminate even on private property if that property is open to the public. I would think telling someone they need to surrender their Constitutional right ought to be prohibited discrimination.

Again, it's not discrimination but regulation.

Anyway, here is a list of anti-gun business' to avoid.


MCRGO - Do Not Patronize while Armed

Would I be incorrect in assuming that that your entire reason for posting is simply to provide a the link above?

[edub]

Originally Posted by djmilf

All rights are subject to reasonable regulation, including the right to keep and bear arms.

Cases in point:

[1] You DO NOT have the right to carry a weapon while intoxicated
[2] You DO NOT have the right to carry a concealed weapon in an establishment that serves alcohol.
[3] You DO NOT have the right to carry a concealed weapon in a church, synagogue, mosque or any recognized place of worship.

Do I need to go on? You should know these facts from your CCW class that you attended.



While you CAN leave your firearm at home, a black person or a Mexican person can't leave his ethnicity at home.

If you can't see the difference, then maybe others can.



Again, it's not discrimination but regulation.



Would I be incorrect in assuming that that your entire reason for posting is simply to provide a the link above?

No.

Those regulations were established by our legislators, not by individual citizens. BTW, you can carry in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as it is not their primary source of revenue. And no, I can not leave it at home. I carry a gun for work and it is with me during my business day where ever that happens to take me.

The main point is that I am licensed to carry in any place I have a right to be with the sole exceptions that are articulated in the law. If a shopping mall can prohibit a legitimately licensed person from carrying in a mall, then every mall (or other place) can do so. If that is the case, our Second Amendment right is in effect nullified.

I say if a business is open to the public, I have a right to carry there and it is none of their business.

[idw2s]

Originally Posted by edub

No.

Those regulations were established by our legislators, not by individual citizens. BTW, you can carry in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as it is not their primary source of revenue. And no, I can not leave it at home. I carry a gun for work and it is with me during my business day where ever that happens to take me.

The main point is that I am licensed to carry in any place I have a right to be with the sole exceptions that are articulated in the law. If a shopping mall can prohibit a legitimately licensed person from carrying in a mall, then every mall (or other place) can do so. If that is the case, our Second Amendment right is in effect nullified.

I say if a business is open to the public, I have a right to carry there and it is none of their business.

Cool! I agree!

I'm going to start walking everywhere naked. It's none of their business (easy boys, lymphedema ain't pretty!).

[Perferator]

Originally Posted by idw2s

Cool! I agree!

I'm going to start walking everywhere naked. It's none of their business (easy boys, lymphedema ain't pretty!).

If you are going to go everywhere naked, can I open carry alongside of you and see which gets the most attention?

[Cliffie]

Originally Posted by edub

Those regulations were established by our legislators, not by individual citizens. BTW, you can carry in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as it is not their primary source of revenue. And no, I can not leave it at home. I carry a gun for work and it is with me during my business day where ever that happens to take me.

The main point is that I am licensed to carry in any place I have a right to be with the sole exceptions that are articulated in the law. If a shopping mall can prohibit a legitimately licensed person from carrying in a mall, then every mall (or other place) can do so. If that is the case, our Second Amendment right is in effect nullified.

I say if a business is open to the public, I have a right to carry there and it is none of their business.

It may be news to you that legislators are voted in by individual citizens. They are pretty much under orders to obey the will of their constituents if they want to keep their jobs.

Even if you need your gun for work, is there some reason you can't leave it in your trunk while you go into church?

[djmilf]

Originally Posted by edub

I say if a business is open to the public, I have a right to carry there and it is none of their business.

However you do recognize that there are limits to concealed carry, otherwise you would have disagreed with my examples. At best, you cited an exception to carrying in an establishment that served liquor.

And it seems that you've actually found your solution - you simply won't patronize those businesses that require you to enter sans fire arms. Sounds like a win-win solution for everyone.

Just please stop abusing our intelligence when you claim that your rights supercede the rights of others.

[Smooth23]

Thankfully that's why its called CONCEALED carry. If properly concealed, those places wont know you have it unless you need it, and I guarantee if you need it, they wont mind.

[Perferator]

Originally Posted by Cliffie

It may be news to you that legislators are voted in by individual citizens. They are pretty much under orders to obey the will of their constituents if they want to keep their jobs.

Even if you need your gun for work, is there some reason you can't leave it in your trunk while you go into church?

I was a pastor of a church where we (at one church) had several that were concealed carriers. Two were LEO's and a few others were sportsmen. I trusted each of them and never made an issue of their packing during our meetings.