[Driller1]

Your statement not mine. BTW, there is no proof that above picture animals are yours, but I do believe you. They are a far cry from the ones that were seized.

[bubbagirl]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Your statement not mine. BTW, there is no proof that above picture animals are yours, but I do believe you. They are a far cry from the ones that were seized.

Last word again? Was it really called for? How pathetic...

Just curious.. how would one go about "proving" an animal belongs to them anyway? Do you really need the pictures that include my DH and the buildings on my property to give me any credibility? Maybe you should go apply for a job with one of the AC agencies since you seem to be able to discredit any statement made, have the ability determine animal health, or lack there of, by pictures taken during one of the muddiest times of the year (oh yeah, they were up to weight under the mud. mud happens.) and have complete disregard for the rights of owners (I don't have the right to move my animals if I feel it would be safer for their and my wellbeing?). Sounds like you'll fit right in!

And remind me... what does the above statement have to do with civil liberties?

[Driller1]

Hey, if no one calls for it in 30 days, it is yours. Me work for AC? Would not take the pay cut. AC has no authorities with out the backing of the county prosecutor.

[Miborn]

[quote=bubbagirl;1148809]Just can't stop, can't let it be? This certainly is not about me, and certainly not about what happened with me a year ago. This is about government agencies throwing your rights out the window.

Oh yeah, did I forget to mention I removed the horses from my property last November, not only because I was being harrassed EVERY SINGLE WEEK by the same AC officer - yet, she had no complaints on me, no grounds to cite me, nor any reason to harrass me... yet, CONTINUED to show up at my property attempting to find fault somewhere - but also because it was November and I didn't want to drive 25 mins to feed everyone 2x a day, I would rather drive 5? Oh, I'm so sorry... I didn't know I was entitled to make my life more convenient to take care of my own animals.

Get on the real issue here, quite dancing around what is going on. If you want to stand up for your rights as a livestock owner, great. If you don't, then this obviously doesn't affect you to the point of action. Don't dig up an argument for the sake of arguing. It is silly and redundent.

A sample of last year's pictures. If you then believe, by looking at these pictures, that AC had grounds to nail me with neglect then you're obviously looking to dig up an argument with me. I consider this crap about how I "ran" from AC closed - and I will report you to the moderators for stepping out of line if it continues.

Ok,
Not a single horse should ever be that skinny winter or not! They should have been taken from that ranch.......
Boo hoo on Mi winters I had horses in the Mt. Pleasant area and they had a barn not a single one ever come close to being in that condition EVER!
It is neglect those horses were at best maybe getting 10 lbs or less a day. They appear to be wormy and did the mare get her EHV shots? Could be why she is aborting foals, again neglect mare must have those shots. To also breed mares and not to supply proper nutrition is appalling, and sick to do that to an animal.
As for your horses the bay looks ribby to me. Could have a little more meat on them. Maybe they are wormy? Running from AC ? Why?

[bubbagirl]

Originally Posted by Miborn

Ok,
Not a single horse should ever be that skinny winter or not! They should have been taken from that ranch.......
Boo hoo on Mi winters I had horses in the Mt. Pleasant area and they had a barn not a single one ever come close to being in that condition EVER!
It is neglect those horses were at best maybe getting 10 lbs or less a day. They appear to be wormy and did the mare get her EHV shots? Could be why she is aborting foals, again neglect mare must have those shots. To also breed mares and not to supply proper nutrition is appalling, and sick to do that to an animal.
As for your horses the bay looks ribby to me. Could have a little more meat on them. Maybe they are wormy? Running from AC ? Why?

I don't answer for folks, I just look at facts presented. Facts were hay deliveries and receipts, grain and wormer on premise (and evidence of being used), and AC not following policy and procedure. In addition, a county appointed veterinarian (look up medical professional), stating on record that 95% of the herd were "ideal" on the body condition scale, contradicting the opinion of an AC officer (look up non-medical professional) that the horses were malnourished based solely on her opinion without having a medical verification of such statement.

The situation I presented to those interested/concerned was the complete disregard by a county agency to follow the rules. Not only were the horses taken illegally, but other property was also taken illegally. The resulting judgement can later affect every other livestock owner as this case can be used as an example in court. And yes, some horses winter hard - I've seen it happen plenty of times with great horse owners.

Want to start a fight with me over my horses? Save it and kiss it. I have explained more than enough explanation for moving my horses - and this issue isn't even about my horses. You have an issue with my horses (which you've never seen in person, know anything about or have any information on) or a situation that affected me a year ago, take it up with me privately. You obviously don't have any facts on my management to back up your "ribby" accusation.

[Driller1]

Hummm..we have a local person that buys horses and sells the horse meat on the INTERNET. She feels the same way. Interesting.

[Miborn]

There was a case in Farwell that a riding stable had horses in terrible condition, lice, worms, bones showing, mare giving birth to dead foals, etc etc. Much similar case. The AC up there had a hell of a time getting those horses away from that guy. The guy had to sign over his horses to another person. (It was a friend.) He was on probation for a year. I cannot remember if he paid any fines he had no money anyways. He had over 75 horses. The state didn't want to confiscate them because they said they had nowhere for them to go. BTW allot of those horses had great bloodlines Salty, and a few others.
The horse owner is even a Canadian citizen. Which he should have been deported. There was something going on with that too. He said that he can't go back to Canada. Wonder why? He also brought the horses down from Canada. Well, at least some of them I don't know about all.

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by Miborn

There was a case in Farwell that a riding stable had horses in terrible condition, lice, worms, bones showing, mare giving birth to dead foals, etc etc. Much similar case. The AC up there had a hell of a time getting those horses away from that guy. The guy had to sign over his horses to another person. (It was a friend.) He was on probation for a year. I cannot remember if he paid any fines he had no money anyways. He had over 75 horses. The state didn't want to confiscate them because they said they had nowhere for them to go. BTW allot of those horses had great bloodlines Salty, and a few others.
The horse owner is even a Canadian citizen. Which he should have been deported. There was something going on with that too. He said that he can't go back to Canada. Wonder why? He also brought the horses down from Canada. Well, at least some of them I don't know about all.

To little to late has been what I have seen from AC. Entry into the US with a horse is tricky.
I showed at the Quarterama in Toronto. The heath certificate on my gelding had a typo, it was a nightmare!! When they go into Canada for meat, they seal the back of the truck/trailer.

It has been my experience when someone says they are being picked on it is BULL! However, if so there are steps to check things out.

The deporting, no they let child molesters stay.

I know my horses gained weight in the winter.

[bubbagirl]

Originally Posted by Driller1

It has been my experience when someone says they are being picked on it is BULL! However, if so there are steps to check things out.

Who is this intended for?

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by bubbagirl

Who is this intended for?

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