[mkfarnam]

I remember back in the 60's a good percentage of families in Michigan(mostly in the Mid to Northern part) were self sufficient and were able to survive on what they grow, with some exeptions.
In other words, they were self employed on their own farms, that is until Corperate farming came along.

[darstar]

Originally Posted by ronpaul22

B&R in Petown, Left because of the construction trades going bust.
I remember when this happend in the late 70s and it only turned around because of the auto industry making a come back, I dont see this happning again. Japan gave us a chance and we blew it on greed.
Detroit can not get it through their thick heads that big h2s and yukons are not going to sell.

Toyota and hybreads are where it is at. or alt. energy source cars.
I think between the greed of the auto industry and short sitedness and the greed of the unions they have worked togeather to kill the indsutry, while one was holding the spike the other was driving it in the coffin. And at the same time china and japan have ran past the us auto industry.
Coupled with a war gone bad, a dropping dollar,and a weak economy and getting worse it lookes bad for the whole country but michigan will lead the pack for the pain felt.
I know of some people who are hoping to buy a home cheap and have it turn around in the next year. I personaly do not think michigan can turn around in one year. I think it is going to be several years of hurt even if things were done now to start MI on the right path, it would take 3 to 4 years to turn it around, and this is if the whole economy does not flush.
Things are not looking good, and all the pundits that said things were not going to go into ressission are now saying not a bad ressission.
I dont see bottom yet.

You make a good review of the conditions here in Michigan. I agree the bottom is not here yet. Strange thing , in my area of SW Mi., prices are holding. Its hard to find , on the surface , the recession . We depend so much on the Chicago market. When N. Il. goes down , so will we , hard ! Most of us are just doing that , holding on. This winter , will tell a lot , stay tuned......

[mkfarnam]

So Mi, has to depend on a sancuary city?

S.W. Mi. , hummmmmmmm, that could be, Benton Harbor/St Joseph,(but I doubt it) Bridgeman, Berrien Springs. actually that could be alot of places, I just named afew I lived at as a kid.
Am I close?

[darstar]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

So Mi, has to depend on a sancuary city?

S.W. Mi. , hummmmmmmm, that could be, Benton Harbor/St Joseph,(but I doubt it) Bridgeman, Berrien Springs. actually that could be alot of places, I just named afew I lived at as a kid.
Am I close?

You are......South Haven , a little sleepy resort community, on the shore of Lake Michigan. In its heyday, this area was hot , as a resort haven, for Il. folks.Now , all the big money has moved north. The locals are banking on the energy crunch to bring back the good old days.
Many Il. and n. In.folks have summer places here, not only on the big water , but more so on the many small lakes in the area..... I am one such , just finished a five year project 60s designer home, and , am waiting for a buyer. Holding me up big time, as I am building in the UP , my retirement bunker...........

[Kris_71]

Originally Posted by Bydand

I know where Lake is, just went through your neck of the wood a few weeks ago.

Right now I am stuck in the armpit of the world (Northern Maine) but was born and raised in Scottville (Over by Ludington), Graduated from Sault Ste. Marie, and lived in McBain (extra points if you know where that is) for a couple of years. Lived in Gaylord for a few years after school, and also worked in Battle Creek for a time. My family and I are looking forward to getting back home to West Michigan next fall as soon as work contracts are up out here. Just spent almost a month in pure heaven back in Scottville, and cannot wait to get back to friends and family in the area.

I live in a little town called Jenning double points for anybody that knows where that is....lol

[Kris_71]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

Born and raised in Cadillac,Mi. (Wexford County)
Moved to Ca. in the early 70's. Got fed up with the Illegals and moved to OK. 6/07.

Hows the job market in OK.................It stinks back home in Caddy......we're looking to move maybe.....I hate to ...but we have to do something.

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by Kris_71

Hows the job market in OK.................It stinks back home in Caddy......we're looking to move maybe.....I hate to ...but we have to do something.

There are plenty of jobs here. and in most every catagory and level.

[Bydand]

Originally Posted by Kris_71

I live in a little town called Jenning double points for anybody that knows where that is....lol

Double points for me!! Or am I dis-qualified because I lived in the area?

[Kris_71]

Originally Posted by Bydand

Double points for me!! Or am I dis-qualified because I lived in the area?

Oh you can have the double points.............lol

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by Bydand

I know where Lake is, just went through your neck of the wood a few weeks ago.

Right now I am stuck in the armpit of the world (Northern Maine) but was born and raised in Scottville (Over by Ludington), Graduated from Sault Ste. Marie, and lived in McBain (extra points if you know where that is) for a couple of years. Lived in Gaylord for a few years after school, and also worked in Battle Creek for a time. My family and I are looking forward to getting back home to West Michigan next fall as soon as work contracts are up out here. Just spent almost a month in pure heaven back in Scottville, and cannot wait to get back to friends and family in the area.

Mcbains up around my home town, "Cadillac".