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Old 03-17-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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Michigan is a Blue State? How?

I'm always surprised that MI generally goes blue in the general election. But, most people in MI, seem to run conservative, seem to lean more tea party thinking, rush limbaugh, and all the rest...

Is anyone else surprised that MI manages to be a blue state despite that? I can't think of anything progressive about MI. Ann Arbor seems to be the anomoly.
Mostly because of Union representation. Take that away and Michigan's just as "red" as any red state in the south.

Think of your Conservative, Christian Dad (or mom) who works in factory (or any blue collar occupation), pretty much.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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How did 8 years of Granholm improve Michigan?
Simple. It didn't
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:43 PM
 
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I am always confused that people would think just because the labor industries are down, that working people will jump ship and go neo-conservative and seek salvation from the very folks who would destroy their way of earning a living.
That is EXACTLY what happened relative to Granholm/Snyder.

Granholm wasn't liberal to begin with anyway. By normal measurs, SHE was a moderate.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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How did 8 years of Granholm improve Michigan?
The same way 14 years of Miliken improved Michigan and 8 years of Bush inproved the US.

Now see how silly your post was?

BTW, the economy in the state improved greatly during Blanchard's 8 years.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Viña del Mar, Chile
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One thing that I don't hear much talk about is Synder and what people think about him. From what I can see though, he has been doing something right. Things seem to be better here in Michigan and people seem to be finding a lot of work more easily. At least in the manufacturing fields that I see. I don't know if it is as much of an influence from Snyder or if it is simply a swing in the economy, but it is nice to see things starting to pick back up in Michigan. It really is one of the best states in USA to live in. Probably one of the more underrated too since it is so hip to live on the east coast.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Dearborn
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Ugh, what did Granholm even do for 8 years anyway?

I'm not really sure where I fall in the political spectrum these days, but Snyder's done a helluvalot more in a little over a year than Granholm did in her whole 8 years.

But you're right, I don't see Granholm as being particularly liberal, at the same time, and I don't see Snyder being very conservative either. They both seem to be pretty moderate, but one of them is clearly more effective than the other!

I'm probably going to be one of the people who votes for Obama in November, and Rick Snyder two years from now.
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Old 03-17-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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The same way 14 years of Miliken improved Michigan and 8 years of Bush inproved the US.

Now see how silly your post was?

BTW, the economy in the state improved greatly during Blanchard's 8 years.

It did? I remember Engler winning because of Blanchard's poor handling of Michigan, especially in regard to high property taxes.

Considering most Americans are worse off under Obama and were even more worse off under Carter, I don't understand the first part of your statement.

Wait until Obama's tax increases kick in. Most middle class Americans will find out the government thinks they are rich.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Battle Creek, MI
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One thing that I don't hear much talk about is Synder and what people think about him. From what I can see though, he has been doing something right. Things seem to be better here in Michigan and people seem to be finding a lot of work more easily. At least in the manufacturing fields that I see. I don't know if it is as much of an influence from Snyder or if it is simply a swing in the economy, but it is nice to see things starting to pick back up in Michigan. It really is one of the best states in USA to live in. Probably one of the more underrated too since it is so hip to live on the east coast.
+1

Jobs in this area are exploding everywhere and not just manufacturing either. I credit both Snyder and Obama for it as they worked together on a few key things that has brought a bit of this. Unlike a few other GOP governors like the dude in FL ( Who turned down the money for the high speed rail that we are getting/got ) Snyder has worked a little with Obama. Ofcourse Bush and Obama bailing out the autos has helped too. Overall as mentioned both have been very good for this state and thus who i will be voting for.

Most of the issues now are basically unrelated to the governor and more so at the local level. Ofcourse there is our lousy Attorney General who yeah needs to be gone like a bad habit. Alot he could be doing but instead stands in the way because of special interest etc. He is your typical useless neocon.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle, originally from SF Bay Area
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We have good friends from Michigan so we hear a lot about it. We actually have a Goldberg's Deli here in Bellevue, WA run by guys from Detroit that did the Stage deli there.

Anyway, I would think that Michigan would have somewhat of an political identity crisis. With the auto industry being so heavily union one would expect democrats, but on the other hand, republicans are more sympathetic to big business and less government regulation. If you are a union assembly line worker putting together cars and your job is in jeopardy in part due to expensive smog and mileage requirements, what party do you prefer?
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Old 03-17-2012, 10:32 PM
 
Location: State of Superior
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It really depends on where you live and where you work.

Wayne, Oakland, Macomb and Washtenaw counties tend to vote democratic and everywhere else (with the exception of Genesee county and the UP) tend to vote republican. There's enough voters in southeast Michigan to give us two democratic senators, and we usually vote democratic for president. On the other hand, when it comes to state and local politics, you see a lot more republicans.

Ann Arbor is in-your-face progressive and people in that city are only allowed to think a certain way. Progressives elsewhere tend to be more open and tolerant to other points of view, so you might interpret that as being "conservative."
What's wrong with Ann Arbor anyway ? I hope you have not bought into the far right non education crap, just to please some less informed folks that are hung up on agendas that trump all things sensible, mostly for some out of touch religious crazy people. Most of these folks do come from very rural places.
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