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Old 05-25-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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I like much of what Gov. Snyder has been trying to do, but he has had virtually no impact upon the job market in Michigan. Just like in states across the country where the economy is getting better, the credit belongs on the federal level. If President Obama were a Republican, the right-wingers in this country would be trumpeting the remarkable turnaround which has taken place since he was elected. Americans need to pull together and support our President. Under the circumstances, he's been doing a pretty good job.
If President Obama were a Republican, I'd hope I'd be honest and look at the numbers critically: number of employed Americans in Feb. 2009: 141,748,000. Number of employed Americans, April 2012: 141,865,000. That is only 117,000 more jobs in 3+ years. In the same time frame for Clinton, he had 7.5 million more jobs and Bush, 10.9 million. And, under Obama, we are $5 trillion + farther in debt. Remarkable is an understatement!
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:59 PM
 
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And yet the Obama haters won't give him crdit for bailing out the Auto Industry (Socialist/Socialism!!! zOMG!!!), which is where I bet the lion's share of these jobs came from versus from anything Snyder did....
Obama bailed out the CEOs but he did not create jobs.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:15 PM
 
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Obama bailed out the CEOs but he did not crate jobs.
You really want to go there, don't you?

Save yourself the emberassment and save me the time, my "e" key isn't working anyway.
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Old 05-25-2012, 07:17 PM
 
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Bush, 10.9 million.
There were only 556,000 net jobs created during the Bush administration, not 10.9 million.
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Old 05-26-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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And, under Obama, we are $5 trillion + farther in debt.
Yep, wars are expensive. It's especially problematic when pseudo-conservatives don't have the backbone to pay for them. I have also yet to hear from one so-called conservative Congressman who has called for federal spending cuts in his/her home district. Hypocrisy reigns supreme.
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Sparta, TN
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You don't run a war on a budget -- you run it to win it. We can always pay for wars after you win. The problem with the current wars is that they are endless money pits. You need to go into these countries and kill off as much of the population and destroy as much infrastructure as possible. You aren't going to win the "hearts and minds" of people in a Muslim country that have been trained for generations to hate our culture as part of their religion. The population of Afghanistan is about 34M - we should have tried to kill about 10M and left. If we had done so, we could have moved into Pakistan after Afghanistan and Iran after Iraq.

The budget problem of this country is really too big to even solve now even if every Democrat was removed from office. We need to stop spending until the budget is balanced - the only exception should be that spending necessary to win any wars that we are in. Once we can run the government on a balanced budget, the government will simply have to default on our current debt or inflate the currency to a point where the debt is again manageable. There's not even enough currency in circulation to cover our current debt and we're now running deficits that are higher than our entire national debt back in the Reagan era.

If you bring in more revenue like the Dems want, it'll just be spent to increase the size of government. If you raise taxes on the rich, it'll do little good since there's not enough of them to make a dent in the deficit. Raising the rates will probably bring in less revenue anyway than keeping them as they are.

Snyder's been doing the right things regardless of how many jobs the state has created. His priority should be to get the state government budget balanced which he did and to make the state more attractive to business which he did. Michigan is actually recovering better than most of the country as a result.



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Yep, wars are expensive. It's especially problematic when pseudo-conservatives don't have the backbone to pay for them. I have also yet to hear from one so-called conservative Congressman who has called for federal spending cuts in his/her home district. Hypocrisy reigns supreme.
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:26 PM
 
Location: 112 Ocean Avenue
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You need to go into these countries and kill off as much of the population and destroy as much infrastructure as possible. You aren't going to win the "hearts and minds" of people in a Muslim country that have been trained for generations to hate our culture as part of their religion. The population of Afghanistan is about 34M - we should have tried to kill about 10M and left. If we had done so, we could have moved into Pakistan after Afghanistan and Iran after Iraq.
You might be the first person on C-D to publicly promote genocide. Here's your sign.
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Old 05-26-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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You might be the first person on C-D to publicly promote genocide. Here's your sign.

Good one, RedJacket. Ridiculous posts deserve to be ridiculed.
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Old 05-27-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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You don't run a war on a budget -- you run it to win it. We can always pay for wars after you win. The problem with the current wars is that they are endless money pits. You need to go into these countries and kill off as much of the population and destroy as much infrastructure as possible. You aren't going to win the "hearts and minds" of people in a Muslim country that have been trained for generations to hate our culture as part of their religion. The population of Afghanistan is about 34M - we should have tried to kill about 10M and left. If we had done so, we could have moved into Pakistan after Afghanistan and Iran after Iraq.

The budget problem of this country is really too big to even solve now even if every Democrat was removed from office. We need to stop spending until the budget is balanced - the only exception should be that spending necessary to win any wars that we are in. Once we can run the government on a balanced budget, the government will simply have to default on our current debt or inflate the currency to a point where the debt is again manageable. There's not even enough currency in circulation to cover our current debt and we're now running deficits that are higher than our entire national debt back in the Reagan era.

If you bring in more revenue like the Dems want, it'll just be spent to increase the size of government. If you raise taxes on the rich, it'll do little good since there's not enough of them to make a dent in the deficit. Raising the rates will probably bring in less revenue anyway than keeping them as they are.

Snyder's been doing the right things regardless of how many jobs the state has created. His priority should be to get the state government budget balanced which he did and to make the state more attractive to business which he did. Michigan is actually recovering better than most of the country as a result.
All wars are endless money pits until they end. In between a lot of good people die on both sides.

I see little point in genocide and annihilating an entire culture just to what? Say I win?
Isn't that the goal of the terrorist? Then does not the USA become a terrorist by supporting unilateral extinction of human beings simply because they happen to live amongst idiots?
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Old 05-27-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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I realize that as someone on the outside (NY) considering Michigan for relocation, I don't get a vote. I'm sure there is a lot more to it than meets my eye. But want to say that we are encouraged that the Michigan economy appears to be stabilizing (again, we're on the outside, I know) and hoping that the new normal for Michigan is a sustainable economy. We're not looking for the next boom area. We are looking for a consistent steady improvement (as much as possible in this crazy national and world economy).
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