[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by cbmsu01

Is anybody worried that a huge number of people (like upwards of a million or so) are going to leave Michigan over the next few years? That would seriously cripple things. Based on what people are saying here and other places, it sounds like a possibility.

It's hard to say. On the one hand, many of the people who would be predisposed to flee the state are probably gone already. On the other hand, as the state's economy worsens more and more people will be forced to flee if they aren't trapped in their houses.

If my job vaporizes then I plan to flee the state unless my wife has a nice job, and even then, she might be able to get a job in the health care field in another state in which case we'd flee.

"Michigan is a huge graveyard and our lives, careers, and economic well being are all dying, slowly." (Paraphrase of a quote from a famous author speaking about Soviet Russia.)

[Edit] Oh gosh. I fell for posting on an almost 2 year old thread.

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by hoohoohaa13

Yeah, but take the spill over effect. People who are leaving MA, mainly the Boston area, move to RI to keep the job but pay a better price for housing. They are getting a deal, but to the RI residents, the prices are going up.

That's why people in Maine, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Hampshire and Vermont sometimes call the homesteaders from Massachusetts "Mas*hol*s".

[I'minformed2]

Originally Posted by magellan

Perhaps you should go back and look at the figures. I was referring directly to net domestic migration. No wool, cotton, polyester or any other fabric. If you need a definition of net domestic migration, just let me know and I'll be happy to explain. It's generally lost on a lot of people.

Yes, Michigan had lost population of .1% in 2006, or about 5190 people (not millions), and the other states gained about .1% - .5%, a barely perceptible difference. It's all stagnant growth, but yet you don't hear that much about New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts and other states losing people by the tens and hundreds of thousands.

Haha! If I wanted to pull the wool over people, don't you think I would have left off the link?

I realize this post is very old...but I stumbled upon it and feel the need to point out that people in NY (where I live) are definitely into this doom and gloom everyone will leave and there will only be a black hole left too. They are all going to NC (where I actually LEFT to come BACK to upstate ny last year) which I know is a place that many Michiganers have their eyes on for relocation too. If everyone form all of these expensive places all move to the same new area; said new area will have all the same issues within a generation. Mark my words.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Bhaalspawn

It's hard to say. On the one hand, many of the people who would be predisposed to flee the state are probably gone already. On the other hand, as the state's economy worsens more and more people will be forced to flee if they aren't trapped in their houses.

If my job vaporizes then I plan to flee the state unless my wife has a nice job, and even then, she might be able to get a job in the health care field in another state in which case we'd flee.

"Michigan is a huge graveyard and our lives, careers, and economic well being are all dying, slowly." (Paraphrase of a quote from a famous author speaking about Soviet Russia.)
[Edit] Oh gosh. I fell for posting on an almost 2 year old thread.

Not quite. The Soviet Union was a command economy that collapsed because there was no balance. Michigan, at least, you can start a business there.

[GeminiGal]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

I realize this post is very old...but I stumbled upon it and feel the need to point out that people in NY (where I live) are definitely into this doom and gloom everyone will leave and there will only be a black hole left too. They are all going to NC (where I actually LEFT to come BACK to upstate ny last year) which I know is a place that many Michiganers have their eyes on for relocation too. If everyone form all of these expensive places all move to the same new area; said new area will have all the same issues within a generation. Mark my words.

Reps to you !!! I have been saying this for years. COL is steadily rising in many southern states. I have not lived in NC in about 10 years, but have lots of friends and family that are still there. They will agree that the migration is steadily making the COL rise. Many feel there is no choice but to eventually start raising taxes to pay for the migration burden on schools, infrastructure, etc. It will happen sooner than you think!

[GeminiGal]

My neighbor went back to Saginaw over Thanksgiving to visit her parents. They (parents) are retired but tiring quickly of the MI life. Parents can't really afford to move so they are probably going to take longer visits to their daughter here in Columbus OH, a son in TX and another in FL.

My neighbor said she would get her parents out of MI if she could afford it. She goes back about 3 times a year and is saddened each time she goes.

[malamute]

Originally Posted by GeminiGal

My neighbor went back to Saginaw over Thanksgiving to visit her parents. They (parents) are retired but tiring quickly of the MI life. Parents can't really afford to move so they are probably going to take longer visits to their daughter here in Columbus OH, a son in TX and another in FL.

My neighbor said she would get her parents out of MI if she could afford it. She goes back about 3 times a year and is saddened each time she goes.

But why? if they're retired? It's not like they're looking for jobs.

[darstar]

Originally Posted by GeminiGal

Reps to you !!! I have been saying this for years. COL is steadily rising in many southern states. I have not lived in NC in about 10 years, but have lots of friends and family that are still there. They will agree that the migration is steadily making the COL rise. Many feel there is no choice but to eventually start raising taxes to pay for the migration burden on schools, infrastructure, etc. It will happen sooner than you think!

I lived in NC for 18 years.....and , was spoiled with the taxes, they were so so cheap ! We had at lest 3 tax heights , most double each time ....still cheap , compared to Michigan. Indiana , is a better choice if taxes are your big thing, and , you still want to live in the north.......sort of.

[upandrunning]

Taxes on homes are cheap in much of the south. I just got back from a trip to Myrtle Beach, a 275k home is taxed around 500$. Not bad at all. The problem is that that home is now selling at 225k and not moving. Hard Rock park is down for the count. They are desperately trying to sell the park for 35 million and it was opened in may of this year at a cost of over 400 million. I knew that the park that was talked about in Grayling was a red haring. No way any one who was not in for shock treatment, would put that kind of money into Grayling. If Myrtle Beach can not make a park work, Grayling has a snow balls chance at the equator. Michigan has a long hard road to come back and it has not even hit bottom yet. I am glad I sold when I did. Thought I took a big hit on my property value, but now I would have been drowned. It could have went in another direction, I took a chance to get ahead of the bell curve and won the craps shoot. Things are slowing down all over, but Ohio, Indiana and Michigan will have a very hard time of it. I think this recession will be harder then the 77 to 84 recession because of this, Oil went up based on man made shortages, This time around it is not, peak oil is with us. Oil is down because of the economy, second, the whole country is in a deep recession this go around. Last time it was not. California did not even feel the one in the 80s. I moved to Florida at that time and the state was booming all through the 80s and 90s. We never skipped a beat. In fact when I left Florida homes were going for 55k for a new 3/2 on land, in 99 that had skyrocketed to 225k. I know it over inflated but still they never felt the recession of the 80s or the 90/92 recession that hit Michigan.
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[darstar]

Originally Posted by upandrunning

Taxes on homes are cheap in much of the south. I just got back from a trip to Myrtle Beach, a 275k home is taxed around 500$. Not bad at all. The problem is that that home is now selling at 225k and not moving. Hard Rock park is down for the count. They are desperately trying to sell the park for 35 million and it was opened in may of this year at a cost of over 400 million. I knew that the park that was talked about in Grayling was a red haring. No way any one who was not in for shock treatment, would put that kind of money into Grayling. If Myrtle Beach can not make a park work, Grayling has a snow balls chance at the equator. Michigan has a long hard road to come back and it has not even hit bottom yet. I am glad I sold when I did. Thought I took a big hit on my property value, but now I would have been drowned. It could have went in another direction, I took a chance to get ahead of the bell curve and won the craps shoot. Things are slowing down all over, but Ohio, Indiana and Michigan will have a very hard time of it. I think this recession will be harder then the 77 to 84 recession because of this, Oil went up based on man made shortages, This time around it is not, peak oil is with us. Oil is down because of the economy, second, the whole country is in a deep recession this go around. Last time it was not. California did not even feel the one in the 80s. I moved to Florida at that time and the state was booming all through the 80s and 90s. We never skipped a beat. In fact when I left Florida homes were going for 55k for a new 3/2 on land, in 99 that had skyrocketed to 225k. I know it over inflated but still they never felt the recession of the 80s or the 90/92 recession that hit Michigan.
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I hit Florida in 1980 , just when things were turning down up north. yes , we didn't feel anything , for several years. I built , and cash in in 86'. tripled my investment....Then moved back north , .part way....NC.