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If teachers were not paid by the government, they would be paid more and no one would care. IE: entertainment
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Originally Posted by jpoole52
someone emailed me this today, and i thought of this forum topic, and as a teacher, how angry it made me a couple of months ago.
Thought it might put some things into perspective for some of the teacher bashers....
In case anyone thought they were being short-changed in the paychecks, maybe this will help explain things:
Teachers' hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year!
It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do--baby sit!
We can get that for less than minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them $3.00 an hour per child and only the hours they worked, not any of that silly planning time.
That would be $19.50 a day (7:00 AM to 3:30 (or so) PM with just 25 min. off for lunch).
Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.
NOW... How many do they teach in a class, 30? So that's $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! we're not going to pay them for any vacations.
LET'S SEE.... That's $585 x 180= $105,300 per year.
What about those special teachers and the ones with master's degrees?
Well, we could pay them minimum wage, and just to be fair, round it off to $7.00 an hour. That would be $7 x 6 1/2 hours x 30 children x 180 days = $245,700 per year.
Wait a minute--there's something wrong here!
Average teacher salary $50,000/180 days = $277/per day/30 students = $9.23/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student. A very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even try - with your help - to EDUCATE your kids!
WHAT A DEAL.... And the parents don't even have to buy us pizza!
Compare apples for apples. You pay your congressman more and for what. He/she puts in less actual work time. As long as tax payers pay the salaries of teachers, there will be many "players" or "arm chair quarterbacks" scruitinizing teacher salaries. When healthcare is nationalized, nurses will come under simular criticism. Also, when you work in an industry that is regulated (lack of trust) the cost goes up and speed goes down. If you do not like the summer breaks and other vacations, just wait, the day will come when kiddies are in school year around. Or, you could take 2 to 21/2 months off your job without pay. States can compete and teachers will go to which ever gives them the best deal. Anyone would do the same. Lastly, as a community and desiring the best community, you want longivity of teachers. When shopping for a nursing home, I would look at the longevity of the nurses as a sign of the quality of the care. The same measure goes for teachers. We pay so much more for our kids and our own entertainment that this should not even be a concern. People choose different vocations by temperment skills and interests. Be a pro basketball player, a movie star or a teacher. Not everyone can, stop comparing and put your money to where your heart is. (A pure heart is more desires than a lustful one.)
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My parents were both in Education, and had great retirement and benefits as well. It is nice to see states that still reward, and put a priority on education.
Here is a heretic thought, If we to assume that all the people are created equal, then we shall assume that an hour of life of each of us has about the same value. You being a wage slave don't sell your education, your skills and talents, you sell hours of your life to employers in an exchange for the right to exist. Of course, all that time which was spent to acquire certain level of education and skills should be also counted in. Other than that, an hour of life of a ditch digger, a teacher or a CEO in much more perfect world than ours, would be valued about the same. In this world one has to sell his arse (quick) to owners of means or starve. It's not quite slavery, but it's similar. If people would have the right to exist (independent of their success in selling their arses) countless low wage jobs dangerous to life and health would not be filled. Teachers are instrumental in perpetuating this system.
My parents were both in Education, and had great retirement and benefits as well. It is nice to see states that still reward, and put a priority on education.
Correction, Michigan has been high on professional training (you call education) in the past 90 years or so.
Public education system as we know it was shaped by industrialists like Rockefeller who needed technically competent&indoctrinated but otherwise incapable of critical thinking and uneducated (in the broad sense) wage mass for their factories. Michigan was heavily industrialized. In this world, one's compensation is directly proportional to one's standing in the hierarchical ladder of an organization. I don't care how educated and uniquely talented is a lab grunt who's doing unique work for a company, middle level (sometimes low level) managers will always make more , it's logic of a power ladder.
So naturally teachers deemed as an essential element of a power structure by industrialists and their compensation skyrocketed compared to the early 1900. It's too bad that industrialists are leaving MI for cheaper labor places, leaving maintenance of "old glory" to the shrinking tax base. Michigan Universities would last longer since Uncle Sam is doing most of the funding (by running up debt) and providing foreign educated cheap labor for their laboratories. Mass cult, media, etc. took over most of the indoctrination work. A
I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school it was a well rounded EDUCATION. Not political/professional training, but instead a very well rounded view of the world, history, Literature (from LONG before things were industrialized), Geography, Art, and many other things and interests that have nothing to do with making money for others. Instead I was in schools that the teachers cared about the students and HOW they learned and wanted to instill a desire to continue to learn for the rest of their lives. Who encouraged travel, adventure, reading, writing, growth in ALL aspects of life; not just those that would equate well into the business world.
In other words, Thanks to all the teachers out there who STILL do this for their students, it is worth every single penny I pay in taxes. Not only so my kids can have this same lifelong learning desire I have, but as a payment for the great education I got as a kid. Right here in Michigan mostly.
As for teachers only working 6 - 8 hours a day, that is a bunch of bologna. If that is the case, there were a LOT of teachers who didn't get that memo. I live right next to the schools in my town (as in my property borders school property). Teachers start showing up 1 1/2 to 2 hours BEFORE the students get there, and usually don't leave for 1 1/2 to 2 hours after school gets out. I have 2 teachers who walk through my yard to get to the school behind me, they walk to school between 6:30 and 7 every morning and don't walk back home until 4:30 - 5:30 every single day.
I don't know where you went to school, but where I went to school it was a well rounded EDUCATION. Not political/professional training, but instead a very well rounded view of the world, history, Literature (from LONG before things were industrialized), Geography, Art, and many other things and interests that have nothing to do with making money for others. Instead I was in schools that the teachers cared about the students and HOW they learned and wanted to instill a desire to continue to learn for the rest of their lives. Who encouraged travel, adventure, reading, writing, growth in ALL aspects of life; not just those that would equate well into the business world.
It just takes striking random conversations with perfect strangers to get a grip of average "rounded" views of the world etc. It's not political BS, it's reality. If you are somewhat better "rounded" than average (which doesn't take much) it may have something to do with lots of things other than schooling and teachers.
Teachers are entrusted with making human "bricks" fitting perfectly into the existing social pyramid. "Bricks" destined to fill different levels of the pyramid receive different schooling. 57 elite boarding schools provide disproportionate number of our leaders in the professions, business and government (Preparing for Power:America's elite boarding schools by P. Cookson). Obviously, a wage unit destined to walk shops floors and fill menial office jobs are taught little bit differently. Exceptions are always possible, but....the point is that mass American schooling has been dumbed down to provide mindless, loyal workers who cannot think for themselves. Teachers (and especially education boards) are doing rather a great job on this one.
Last edited by RememberMee; 11-11-2009 at 08:41 AM..
It just takes striking random conversations with perfect strangers to get a grip of average "rounded" views of the world etc. It's not political BS, it's reality. If you are somewhat better "rounded" than average (which doesn't take much) it may have something to do with lots of things other than schooling and teachers.
Teachers are entrusted with making human "bricks" fitting perfectly into the existing social pyramid. "Bricks" destined to fill different levels of the pyramid receive different schooling. 57 elite boarding schools provide disproportionate number of our leaders in the professions, business and government (Preparing for Power:America's elite boarding schools by P. Cookson). Obviously, a wage unit destined to walk shops floors and fill menial office jobs are taught little bit differently. Exceptions are always possible, but....the point is that mass American schooling has been dumbed down to provide mindless, loyal workers who cannot think for themselves. Teachers (and especially education boards) are doing rather a great job on this one.
This really makes zero sense. I am a teacher and I disagree with this, but especially from experience. My brother is an aerospace engineer working for NASA, he went to school in the SAME classes as people who are welders now, who are actors now, and who are masons now..........I totally disagree with what you are trying to say teachers do!
It just takes striking random conversations with perfect strangers to get a grip of average "rounded" views of the world etc. It's not political BS, it's reality. If you are somewhat better "rounded" than average (which doesn't take much) it may have something to do with lots of things other than schooling and teachers.
Teachers are entrusted with making human "bricks" fitting perfectly into the existing social pyramid. "Bricks" destined to fill different levels of the pyramid receive different schooling. 57 elite boarding schools provide disproportionate number of our leaders in the professions, business and government (Preparing for Power:America's elite boarding schools by P. Cookson). Obviously, a wage unit destined to walk shops floors and fill menial office jobs are taught little bit differently. Exceptions are always possible, but....the point is that mass American schooling has been dumbed down to provide mindless, loyal workers who cannot think for themselves. Teachers (and especially education boards) are doing rather a great job on this one.
You are still wrong though. Maybe schools in your area are dumbing down the masses, but that is not the case all over. Plus what does this line of thinking and ranting have to do with wages in Michigan schools? You ideas and arguments would be better suited for the general political forum and not a state specific thread about teacher wages.
You are still wrong though. Maybe schools in your area are dumbing down the masses, but that is not the case all over. Plus what does this line of thinking and ranting have to do with wages in Michigan schools? You ideas and arguments would be better suited for the general political forum and not a state specific thread about teacher wages.
It has everything to do with wages of teachers in MI. Taxes are not the only source of funding, public education receives funding from "businesses and philanthropic" organizations who has/had keen interest in reproducing trainable, docile, indoctrinated and limited in more than one way work force and somewhat better off specialists (like NASA engineers). And now let's look who's sitting on the boards of school districts and universities. Yup, you got that right, it's either local business elite or their proxies who had/has vested interests in reproducing wage force possessing above mentioned qualities. The sheer character of (post)industrial wage labor and preserving hierarchy of wealth demands it, nothing personal. Well rounded individuals don't fit well and tend to rock the boat (unless they are given a juicy "bone" to pacify them, human nature ).
However, since mass cult etc. shapes&molds young's brain more than anything else these days, since specialists (cheap) can be easily imported or entire industries exported why pay more to "public" educators? That's capitalism, you don't open cans with diamond coated openers. You don't well round service workers; sports, celebrities and the rest of mass cult will keep them at peace with their lot while educators are just auxiliary tools. Why pay twice?
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If teachers were not paid by the government, they would be paid more and no one would care. IE: entertainment
, it's logic of a power ladder. 
