[odinloki1]

Originally Posted by rimbert

Calm down jpoole52, i certainly dont think you are a glorified babysitter, you worked hard to get where you are. Someone quoted 100,000 to be a teacher, that is ridiculous because teachers have awesome insurance plans and many have pensions when they retire. That makes up for a large portion of the lack of payment when they are just starting. I by the way, am a doctor and there are many more than 3 percent of people caring for sick and dying people in the workforce.

Only in MI and a few states on the eastern seaboard do the benefits make it worthwhile, here in Arizona they are a joke by comparison. They pay raises as I have state previously do not even keep up with inflation, let alone the dramatic rise in cost of living. My still teaches and is one of the few sticking with it after just 2 years. 40 kids in a small classroom that she has to share does combined with the joke of teachers salaries that they have out here and she's already getting burned out. Here people that like teaching have to quit because their pay is so low and they can't afford to pay for living expenses.

Michigan they may be overpaid, but at least those that like the job can afford to stay in it and have a family.

[mazenblue]

My daughter also took a job in Frida after graduation. No jobs here to be had. Got hired at Uof M job fair. New school hired 18 new teachers from Michigan. Not everyone is waiting for the high paying districts. These kids would have loved to stay here and work anywhere. As for working in Flint & Detroit, that would require hazzard pay. No

Originally Posted by allbusiness

Teachers here are paid more than elsewhere also due to the fact that no one ever seems to retire and there is no growth in student population in the state.

My daughter had to move to a southern state when she graduated last year to get a teaching job since there are "no" teaching jobs available in Michigan. We lose thousands of graduating teachers every year to NC, FL, CO and CA alone. GVSU holds a teacher job fair every spring and ALL of the recruiters are from out of state. It's a mess.

[celestine]

You don't know how hard teachers work. I was a nurse for 10 years and went back to school to become a teacher. $80,000 in debt from going back to school, unable to find a teaching job in a public school and making $34,000 at a charter school. I have never worked so hard in my life. Summers off no way I have to work to support my family and go back to school for my Masters. Working in a charter school, I don't get great benefits.

[celestine]

Wow! I can't believe how mean and catty people can be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just from reading these threads!!!!!!!!! Sad!!!!!!!!!

[Br1234]

Charter schools are more in line with what I believe teachers should be paid, maybe a tiny bit more. No one is being mean, we are just being realistic. This thread is about teachers who are members of the MI public schools union (MEA). For us to receive irrelevant complaints in this thread from all over the country is completely ridiculous.

[scottmi]

Originally Posted by Br1234

Charter schools are more in line with what I believe teachers should be paid, maybe a tiny bit more. No one is being mean, we are just being realistic. This thread is about teachers who are members of the MI public schools union (MEA). For us to receive irrelevant complaints in this thread from all over the country is completely ridiculous.

I agree. While some people may not like the idea of being paid $35,000 - $45,000 annually if you have a Master's Degree...in education of K-12 students where you REALLY only work 3/4 of the year...I think the pay is more than adequate. Especially if you get benefits and a semi-decent retirement plan.

No teacher should ever make $100,000 annually at K-12 or college level. That IS ridiculous and when people hear numbers like that, they think they should be getting that much also. Gimme a break!

Although, with Teacher unions...I can see why they push to have inflated salaries...they'll eventually get them if they keep whining long enough.

[MIhome]

Like all other unions,it is not the people in control like they were designed,not the workers,next time you cruise the net look up various unions and see who is running them,then ask yourself why they consistantly get a bad wrap.I was in a union for 15 year's,a 2nd generation hand,followed my old man into it.Was raised with the belief that union's are for the working class...no their not,by name only.They have destroyed themselves by forgetting where they came from and their true ambitious meaning,along with a lot of hope and dreams of the future.They were pioneers in an uncharted area of America,but they forgot,their mantra,their mission.Like all other things,it turned into a greed driven machine of desperation of the dollar,not the people.There was a time when they stood for worker's right's when no one would,they stood to uplift people out of poverty and help them have a living wage,but those days are gone.They were the standing force to protect the people from politics,now they are the politics,bringing themselves under countless attacks from all area's.My old man was a Proud Union Ironworker,Voted Democrat,and if you can imagine a democrat doing this,stood for the pledge of allegiance,took his hat off for the national anthem,and prayed before supper every night,can you find me a good union hand that would think of doing this today without the feeling they offended someone?He saw the writing on the wall late in life,and i saw it early,so to speak.So the one thing we should remember is Unions did serve a purpose,but it is over.Good luck to those of you that would carry that torch in hopes of a better day,my heart is with you,You have your rights to believe,but remember this,seeing isn't believing,believing is seeing.

[scottmi]

I don't personally have any experience with Unions but they just sound an awful lot like Communism to me. Everyone gets treated fairly, everyone works, everyone pays, everyone gets perks and better pay.

However, as we all know, Communism never works and at some point a small minority live in excess while other scramble about for crumbs. It's that same way now and I totally side with businesses who want nothing to do with them. I'd rather deal with a single corrupt person than a whole legion of them blindly following the same collective mindsets.

[MIhome]

Originally Posted by scottmi

I'd rather deal with a single corrupt person than a whole legion of them blindly following the same collective mindsets.

You already do...their called democrat's and republican's,i.e.Lansing and Washington

[scottmi]

^^^ That's why I'm not technically either one I vote for the best candidate, knowing full well they will most likely be crappy and deceptive like every other politician...........but I try my best to go for the lesser of two evils.