[magellan]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Then why all the "tree hugging" when someone wants to open a factory??? Why do people vote for environmentalists???

Please give some examples Driller1. The only manufacturers I hear of having trouble with environmentalists are the Ice Mountain Water variety. Companies over here expand and start up with very little trouble from "tree huggers." In fact, all you hear over here is companies looking to become more environmentally friendly and more energy efficient. Ever heard the term "triple bottom line?"

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by magellan

Please give some examples Driller1. The only manufacturers I hear of having trouble with environmentalists are the Ice Mountain Water variety. Companies over here expand and start up with very little trouble from "tree huggers." In fact, all you hear over here is companies looking to become more environmentally friendly and more energy efficient. Ever heard the term "triple bottom line?"

Eight coal plants in Michigan that will not be built. Really, you don't hear much anymore because companies just go to other countries. About Ice Mountain. Due to that case the DEQ put a limit on the amount of water that can be pumped from water wells, without a special use permit. 70 GPM is the limit. The permits are expensive and hard to get. I have been working with a local farmer for three years. He had to have a environmental study and environmental impact statement. He has $15,000 in this and no permit yet.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Eight coal plants in Michigan that will not be built. Really, you don't hear much anymore because companies just go to other countries. About Ice Mountain. Due to that case the DEQ put a limit on the amount of water that can be pumped from water wells, without a special use permit. 70 GPM is the limit. The permits are expensive and hard to get. I have been working with a local farmer for three years. He had to have a environmental study and environmental impact statement. He has $15,000 in this and no permit yet.

Coal plants aren't manufacturers. I don't want any more coal plants built either. Nuclear, wind, any other I'm fine with. I'm not even talking about global warming. The coal plants in the state now are already heavy polluters.

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by magellan

Coal plants aren't manufacturers. I don't want any more coal plants built either. Nuclear, wind, any other I'm fine with. I'm not even talking about global warming. The coal plants in the state now are already heavy polluters.

Nuclear would be my first choice.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Nuclear would be my first choice.

Mine too. Bring it on baby!

[Driller1]

Originally Posted by magellan

Mine too. Bring it on baby!

Instead of "drill baby drill", "glow baby glow"????

[darstar]

What ever the case , " not in my back yard " exists all over the country. Thats why we have zoning laws. We can clean up those coal fired plants , have done so all over the country. Without the Government mandate , it won't happen. I have seen it come and go , depending on who is in the drivers seat. Its all about politics , meanwhile , we all suffer , from the well driller to the power plant worker , and , to the school kids down the street from the cloud factory.

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by Driller1

Eight coal plants in Michigan that will not be built. Really, you don't hear much anymore because companies just go to other countries. About Ice Mountain. Due to that case the DEQ put a limit on the amount of water that can be pumped from water wells, without a special use permit. 70 GPM is the limit. The permits are expensive and hard to get. I have been working with a local farmer for three years. He had to have a environmental study and environmental impact statement. He has $15,000 in this and no permit yet.

I think most people are in favor of industry, but not coal plants. Also, many companies become more energy efficient when they realize they can make far greater profits. It is always about the bottom line.

[northernguy1960]

Originally Posted by hoohoohaa13

Wow. Someone not looking for handouts, complaining about the government (local/state/fed), "this stupid state (insert proper state here)". And *gasp* someone saying they will rebuild and start over again. Thank you for that very refreshing post. made me stop and read it a few times.

HI all, northernguy here. I just found this thread after being away from this site for awhile. Well, my wife and I DID move back to MI in November of '07, located in the beautiful area of Manistee. Had enough of SE MI and didn't want to go back there, even though all our family still lives there.

I won't lie, things have been tight, took my wife 4 months to find a plum job with a local opthomologist, full time. I took a job with a big box home center, part time, in June of '08, also picked up a few construction jobs.

But, just to show that opportunity is still out there, in April of last year I contacted the local real estate home inspector who I have done business with for years, to get some names of contractors in the area. In the course of our conversation, he informed me that he was retiring from the inspection business and was going to close the company. Needless to say, I jumped at the chance to buy the business from him on a payment basis. I apprenticed with him through the summer, and in October took over sole ownership of the company. While business has been slow through the winter months, I have been encouraged by the number of downstate and out-of-state customers I have done inspections for. It truly is a buyers market for vacation and second homes. One recent inspection was for a downstate developer who got burned on some deals, and is buying a campground up here. Another was for a couple of school teachers in the St.Louis, Mo area.

Michigan isn't out of trouble by a long shot, but negativity will not help the situation. People need to be resourceful and willing to take a chance, possibly trying something completely different than what they have done before.

Sorry for the rambling.

Tony

[darstar]

Originally Posted by northernguy1960

HI all, northernguy here. I just found this thread after being away from this site for awhile. Well, my wife and I DID move back to MI in November of '07, located in the beautiful area of Manistee. Had enough of SE MI and didn't want to go back there, even though all our family still lives there.

I won't lie, things have been tight, took my wife 4 months to find a plum job with a local opthomologist, full time. I took a job with a big box home center, part time, in June of '08, also picked up a few construction jobs.

But, just to show that opportunity is still out there, in April of last year I contacted the local real estate home inspector who I have done business with for years, to get some names of contractors in the area. In the course of our conversation, he informed me that he was retiring from the inspection business and was going to close the company. Needless to say, I jumped at the chance to buy the business from him on a payment basis. I apprenticed with him through the summer, and in October took over sole ownership of the company. While business has been slow through the winter months, I have been encouraged by the number of downstate and out-of-state customers I have done inspections for. It truly is a buyers market for vacation and second homes. One recent inspection was for a downstate developer who got burned on some deals, and is buying a campground up here. Another was for a couple of school teachers in the St.Louis, Mo area.

Michigan isn't out of trouble by a long shot, but negativity will not help the situation. People need to be resourceful and willing to take a chance, possibly trying something completely different than what they have done before.

Sorry for the rambling.

Tony

Don't sell your self short. You took charge , and , did something about it. More need to start thinking that way, it maybe the only way out of despair.