[msrdp]

Originally Posted by redwingsfan19

Just wondering how bad the problem is.
What is your story and why you want to make the move and where?

well, I lived there for 7yrs basically in the lower Southfield area (by 8mile)...and I would give the metro Detroit area two snaps DOWN in z formation !!!

crime, violence, poor schools, trashy dirty areas, boarded up homes everywhere, abandoned buildings on almost every block, "dirty" police officers, poor economy (worse than other cities), and the list goes on....

I moved to AZ (Surprise area) and it was cool, but I discovered that I didn't like living in the desert...plus, make NO mistake and trust me on this one...Arizona is VERY VERY expensive in comparison to the metro Detroit area...the only thing that was reasonable was clothing and the cost of food was about the same...other than that, it was not what I'd heard as being cheaper....

so, eventually I landed here in TX...just tryin' to find the "right" city for my lifestyle...if I ever decided to relocate again, the only other state I'd consider moving to is Atlanta.

[JGatti]

Originally Posted by Browneyes29

I might be moving soon due to not being able to find a job in what I went to school for. I am currently unemployed and truly don't mind working any job but I have spent 30k on a degree and would like to utilize it. I love MI, I really do but the job opportunities here suck! Therefore, I am moving out of state to at least begin my career and in 2 or 3 years, if things are better, I will come back.

I'm curious what kind of work 30k prepares you for that you can't find? That's a lot of coin. Good luck to you, hope you find something somewhere you want to be.

[Browneyes29]

Originally Posted by JGatti

I'm curious what kind of work 30k prepares you for that you can't find? That's a lot of coin. Good luck to you, hope you find something somewhere you want to be.

I have found work, OUT OF STATE!

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by JGatti

I'm curious what kind of work 30k prepares you for that you can't find? That's a lot of coin. Good luck to you, hope you find something somewhere you want to be.

Mine cost almost that much. Fortunately 75% was in the form of grants.

For what it costs per credit hour (undergrad) around $150-$200?

120-140 hours for a degree? thats $16K plus books, housing and other expenses...and that will get you a B.S for a $34K job as a teacher?

Then there is the grad degree...at nearly $350 per credit hour and another 30 hours ... OUCH...

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by ShabbyChick

Yikes! My word, people...what's with the temper tantrums? I think some of the attitudes here are more volatile than the economy. Maybe I should start a new thread? Does anyone care to share where they moved and if they have any regrets? I'd love to hear all of your stories! By the way, I'm in Northern Michigan...Indian River area.

North Carolina...ZERO regrets. Just heard my former employee (school) in Lenawee County just recently eliminated 20 positions out of 25. Most are veteran teachers averaging 20 years experience. Some general ed, 4-6 were SpEd teachers.

[DONNIEANDDONNA417]

Originally Posted by msrdp

I moved for the same reasons, esp the crime in Detroit/Southfield...but I moved to central Texas and REGRET it !! I have alleviated most of the disadvantages of leaving MI but have encountered so much RACISM that I sometimes wonder if I should've stayed back in MI or moved to a more diverse city/state.

I am told that Dallas and the surrounding cities are more diverse and mimick Detroit (the positive aspects of it)...so I've researched the Valley Ranch area in Irving, TX...the jury is still out on that.

If I intend to leave TX altogether, I have no idea where I'm headed. Wanna stay south, diverse, low crime, etc. is ATLANTA what I'm looking for?

no

[Bhaalspawn]

Originally Posted by JGatti

I'm curious what kind of work 30k prepares you for that you can't find? That's a lot of coin. Good luck to you, hope you find something somewhere you want to be.

Today, it isn't at all uncommon for people to spend large amounts of money on college education only to enter glutted fields where there aren't nearly enough jobs available for degree holders. In fact, many college educations cost much, much more and offer horrible employment prospects.

Most laypeople, especially those without college education (and many with) who might think that the grass is greener on the other side would probably be completely unaware that our nation has large oversupplies of people with MBAs, science PhDs, law degrees, and degrees in probably just about every other field. Many of those people end up underemployed-and-out-of-field and even unemployed or impoverished and severely underemployed.

The media doesn't like to talk about it, and our politicians (who are trying to sell education as the solution to our nation's economic problems because it is a touchy-feely and gives people warm-and-fuzzy feelings) definitely don't want to talk about it. Smug and well-to-do academics whose incomes and livelihoods depend on people paying high tuition certainly don't want to talk about it.

Training to become a lawyer is an extreme example of this sort of economic waste. You could pay $120,000-185,000 in tuition and living expenses (ignoring opportunity costs) only to discover that you are entering a very heavily glutted field. (One guy even did a calculation and used reasonable assumptions to conclude that less than 30% of all new law grads over the past ten years were able to enter the profession.) In spite of that, the general public still believes that all lawyers are wealthy.

[AlohaHuey]

I left Michigan twenty years ago because of a lack of jobs and the inability of Michigan business to diversify. Best decision I ever made.

I have to disagree with the Bhaalspan comments. I have yet to see any PhDs panhandling. There are fields that are stagnant, to be sure, and that all stems to taking responsibility for your career and deciding whether college is a worthy investment based on your area of interest.

I work for a large tech company and we have to go overseas to get qualified engineers. The current budget crises pretty much limits any job openings at present, but that doesn't mean a degree isn't a good investment. It might take awhile for it to pay off. And you have to be willing to go where the jobs are.

[us66]

Originally Posted by AlohaHuey

I have to disagree with the Bhaalspan comments. I have yet to see any PhDs panhandling. There are fields that are stagnant, to be sure, and that all stems to taking responsibility for your career and deciding whether college is a worthy investment based on your area of interest.

They're not panhandling, they probably don't have the mindset for it, but some of them sure are having trouble making the mortgage.

[Bydand]

Awe look, someone who comes up with ways to make fun of my screen name. Wahhhh. LOL

Try again, doesn't phase me in the least.