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Old 02-01-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Grand Rapids Metro
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I'm guessing all of the people who have an issue with this topic are white, heterosexual males who enjoy the privilege of their position without really knowing what happens to people who do not fit those three characteristics.

I completely understand the question. My wife was given the rundown by her OB-GYN over a decision we had to make, injecting his own politics into it. It made my blood boil. Politics are injected into healthcare by practitioners, every day. They can even deny providing care to you if you are gay, as tcchic pointed out (despite taking the hippocratic oath in Med School).

In light of that and all the in-fighting here, I should close the topic but I'll leave it up to tcchic. Everyone try to be a little nicer and a little more understanding, Michiganders.
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Old 02-02-2014, 03:49 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Yes, but that person would probably get the same response from liberals as OP got from conservatives, saying that it is foolish to think a liberal doctor would pressure someone into having an abortion.

Let's take another case: suppose someone asked for a conservative interior designer because they were tired of dealing with gay men. Suppose that might get a few negative responses?

In other words, the stereotypes are that all doctors are conservative pricks and that all interior designers are flaming homosexuals.

(Sorry for the thread drift.)
Why the "same response"? You can't assign equal motivations of intolerance to "both sides", that's what right-wing media tries to do at times.
Liberal: a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Conservative: 1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. 2. Traditional or restrained in style 3. Moderate; cautious.

So if someone asks for a politically conservative doctor, I say go a freakin' head. If someone seeks out a flaming fascist doc, then that is between them, it harms nobody that I can see. Same for liberals.
Sorry, but the dictionary is still correct despite what Limbaugh says.

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I'm guessing all of the people who have an issue with this topic are white, heterosexual males who enjoy the privilege of their position without really knowing what happens to people who do not fit those three characteristics.

I completely understand the question. My wife was given the rundown by her OB-GYN over a decision we had to make, injecting his own politics into it. It made my blood boil. Politics are injected into healthcare by practitioners, every day. They can even deny providing care to you if you are gay, as tcchic pointed out (despite taking the hippocratic oath in Med School).

In light of that and all the in-fighting here, I should close the topic but I'll leave it up to tcchic. Everyone try to be a little nicer and a little more understanding, Michiganders.
Maybe a T.C. resident will eventually post here.

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Old 02-02-2014, 08:24 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Why the "same response"? You can't assign equal motivations of intolerance to "both sides", that's what right-wing media tries to do at times.
Liberal: a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
Conservative: 1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. 2. Traditional or restrained in style 3. Moderate; cautious.

So if someone asks for a politically conservative doctor, I say go a freakin' head. If someone seeks out a flaming fascist doc, then that is between them, it harms nobody that I can see. Same for liberals.
Sorry, but the dictionary is still correct despite what Limbaugh says.


Maybe a T.C. resident will eventually post here.
Using your own definitions you posted, just where would you fit? Not Conservative for sure, but you don't fit liberal either. At least not by the definitions you have above. Your posts in this thread alone shows you fit neither a or b on the liberal definitions. "a" included "free from bigotry" which if you use the definition of bigotry as "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself." you fail that litmus test. Under "b" you don't fit the "tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded" parts either. A simple scan back through this very thread shows examples of both.

Just curious how you see yourself fitting either of these, or are you something else entirely? I am Conservative and fit most of the definitions you posted.

As for the OP, like I said earlier in the thread, I really hope you do find a Dr. you can feel comfortable with. There are a few members from the TC area, hopefully they can chime in with a few suggestions.
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:14 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Using your own definitions you posted, just where would you fit? Not Conservative for sure, but you don't fit liberal either. At least not by the definitions you have above. Your posts in this thread alone shows you fit neither a or b on the liberal definitions. "a" included "free from bigotry" which if you use the definition of bigotry as "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself." you fail that litmus test. Under "b" you don't fit the "tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded" parts either. A simple scan back through this very thread shows examples of both.

Just curious how you see yourself fitting either of these, or are you something else entirely? I am Conservative and fit most of the definitions you posted.

As for the OP, like I said earlier in the thread, I really hope you do find a Dr. you can feel comfortable with. There are a few members from the TC area, hopefully they can chime in with a few suggestions.
Exactly right, and I am cautious and don't always embrace change. You illustrate that the big liberal/conservative divide invented 35 years ago by R. Limbaugh, and exploited today by RW media, doesn't exist and never has. It's called "divide-and-conquer" for political purposes.

We can't get bogged down in this.
I voice opposing views in an open forum therefore I flunk your "tolerance test". Okay.
On tolerance, some things I would totally ban if I had the power: religious and racial bigotry, trolling, fascism and a corporate government (big topics around here). I will react in opposition to these so, guilty as charged, I am intolerant.

Bigotry: 1. extreme intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2. obtuse or narrow-minded intolerance, especially of other races or religions.
Notice the word "extreme". The second one is the biggie. This doesn't mean one can't argue against certain views in a forum.
"Liberals" are intolerant of a few things, just not as many - more tolerant of things like gay marriage for instance, less tolerant of racial hatred which still exists on the Right, tho they claim otherwise.

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Old 02-02-2014, 11:08 PM
 
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My wife, by the way, prefers not to see male doctors. In the past, she's found too many of them to be condescending and not respectful of her issues as a woman. Could she find a great male doctor? Sure, but she feels that it's not worth the risk.
I only quoted a little of your post, but yours was by far the most well thought out and balanced reply of the thread. Thank you.

I wanted to highlight the above; it's really a perfect analogy to what I'm asking and I think one idea more people (er, at least people who might also be women) could empathize with. I'll bet you many people who jumped on the negativity bandwagon in this thread would have no issue with a woman wanting a female doctor. There are always one or two in a crowd, but I'll bet by by-and-large you wouldn't hear much "but you're stigmatizing all male doctors" and disdain for an inquiry into a good female doc. However, the reasons for the query would be much the same - finding a doctor you can be comfortable with no matter what. You're correct - the doctors office is one spot in life where you are at your most vulnerable. I simple want to minimize the chances for anything that might add to that, and I want to feel comfortable being totally honest with my doctor maximizing chances at a successful outcome each and every time.

Upon reflecting on all this, I keep trying to understand why people would object at all to a question in a forum like this (other than boredom) to wanting a doctor with any specific characteristics. I couldn't imagine getting fired up enough reading my original post to want to post disdain for someones preferences in professional services. I'd really just go to the next thread. I know online vitriol is all the rage these days, I just don't get it, especially for something like my original question.

In any event, thanks again for the great reply.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:10 PM
 
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We can't get bogged down in this.
Then stop. Please.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:11 PM
 
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In light of that and all the in-fighting here, I should close the topic but I'll leave it up to tcchic. Everyone try to be a little nicer and a little more understanding, Michiganders.
Not yet please. Even though it went a lot differently than I thought it would, it's been somewhat instructive.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Naperville, IL
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...snip...
Well said!
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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No idea of her politics. But my current GP is Dr. Natalie Okerson-Sparks. She works out of Bay Area Family Care off of 3-Mile in TC. I quite like her, and I'm pretty sure she is taking new patients.
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Old 10-29-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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Anyone who does not believe that a doctors "political leanings" affect How they practice medicine and the decisions they make regarding patient care is pretty naive. This is not the 1950"s. Unfortunately, we are dealing with a whole different ball game...
that is not to say that there are not excellent doc's out there.
But, I've heard it said that "Doctors are the New Lawyers", and that is not exactly a compliment. Just Sayin....
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