[MSwartz]

Despite population growth, more people left Michigan in 2013 than moved in

"The state's population grew by 13,103 to 9,895,622 in 2013, marking the second consecutive year of growth after seven years of decline. It was the 34th highest increase among the 50 states..."

"The population growth came from the fact that there were more births (113,202) than deaths (88,718)."

"But that gain was diminished by a net migration of -11,051 — while international immigration added a net 17,488 people, the state lost a net 28,539 to domestic emigration."

"Michigan ranked 14th highest for international migration into the state, but 45th for domestic migration. It ranked 49th for total net migration."

Anything unexpected here?

[darstar]

Originally Posted by MSwartz

Despite population growth, more people left Michigan in 2013 than moved in



Anything unexpected here?

No , but a few things not considered. Michigan , to the surprise of many is mostly a rural State. Yes. We got a lot of fresh water off our shores, and in the middle mostly farm and farmers. Then there are the pockets of problems , a few real big cities. Throw in the fruit growing in the SW parts of the state where migrant workers dominate the real movement of people depending on the crops seasons.

Bottom line , Michigan is actually four states or areas ! SW where everything revolves around truck farming , then metro Detroit a place all alone that has little to do with the others. The entire UP where most activity is shared with Wisconsin........Now that's three , last are the areas infested with population not very well connected to others , like Detroit......Grand Rapids , Lansing , midland have their own wins and loosers.... Michigan is so diverse it's hard to pin down any real numbers.

[animatedmartian]

I'd be curious to see the break down of the numbers. I know for the later half of the last decade, most out-migration was due to job loss. But I suspect that the future trend, not just for Michigan but many large northern states, is a steady out-migration for retirees flocking to Florida or other southern states. Either way, I don't think it's necessarily bad as long as there is population growth.

[Retroit]

I don't have a problem with declining population as long as we can keep up with vacant housing demolition.

[qwertyasdf]

I wonder what states and cities they're moving to and what kind of jobs are they getting? I'm in Austin, Texas and hardly ever do I see a Michigan license plate. But everytime I go to Houston I almost always see at least one Michigan plate. When I lived in Houston in the 70's, I'd see cars from Michigan nearly everyday. Back then, there was Michiganders all over Houston. I think it was around 1976 I worked in an oil drilling equipment factory in Sugarland, just outside of Houston, and of the 13 guys in our department, 6 were from Michigan.

[magellan]

Originally Posted by qwertyasdf

I wonder what states and cities they're moving to and what kind of jobs are they getting? I'm in Austin, Texas and hardly ever do I see a Michigan license plate. But everytime I go to Houston I almost always see at least one Michigan plate. When I lived in Houston in the 70's, I'd see cars from Michigan nearly everyday. Back then, there was Michiganders all over Houston. I think it was around 1976 I worked in an oil drilling equipment factory in Sugarland, just outside of Houston, and of the 13 guys in our department, 6 were from Michigan.

A lot of people from the construction trades (carpenters, plumbers, welders, etc) moved to the Houston area when the construction industry collapsed up here.

Here's the breakdown they're talking about.

American FactFinder - Results *

That -28,000 net domestic out-migration is a lot better than the 103,000 who left Michigan back in 2008.

Other States with negative net domestic migration on that chart:

Illinois
Kansas
Georgia
Mississippi
Missouri
New York and New Jersey (lost way more than Michigan, not a peep from the national media)
Massachusetts
Ohio
Wisconsin
Maryland

[magellan]

Originally Posted by animatedmartian

I'd be curious to see the break down of the numbers. I know for the later half of the last decade, most out-migration was due to job loss. But I suspect that the future trend, not just for Michigan but many large northern states, is a steady out-migration for retirees flocking to Florida or other southern states. Either way, I don't think it's necessarily bad as long as there is population growth.

Exactly. Look at the New York metro area. I don't think people generally think of it as a metro area that is losing people to other states, but it loses over 100,000 people a year, mostly to Southern states (if you read some of the Southern city forums, there are a lot of New Yorkers moving South).

New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA MSA Population and Components of Change -- Real Estate Center at Texas A&M University Home
(Far right column is number of people who move there from another State minus those who leave NY for another state, a negative number means exactly what it means)

[wrema]

Is it easy for retirees down in the south

[wrema]

I think new york is cool

[magellan]

Originally Posted by wrema

I think new york is cool

Millions do wrema. But a lot of people don't think it's cool. More people than Michigan, but you never hear about it...